I'm no expert, how can a talkfest change the problem.
dogbox said
05:30 PM May 2, 2024
it maybe wrong but according to the law /lawyers that is the way it is. we might know some one is guilty but the onus is on the prosecution to prove it, an they are innocent till proven guilty.
what is the price of safety, the cost could be a lot higher with the total disruption to one's life?
they will still be talking about how to deal with the bad people in the years to come. best to avoid them in the first place if possible
I do believe Social Media plays a massive role in the demise of Society in general these days...the diet of violent alcohol and drug driven "movies" these days kids tend to watch on television and through their various choices of media has to have a big influence on behavior. There is generally zero respect for authority!
If a kid is exposed to violence every day via the media, it becomes less confronting and even acceptable to them. So if they don't get their own way in what ever the matter is, resorting to violence is what they are conditioned to believe is normal. So lashing out isn't in their small minds bad...but rather what they need to do.
Of course upbringing does play a huge role in behavior, but that said, I have also come across numbers of kids who have been bought up with a violent father or dysfunctional family arrangement, and they came to abhor violence against their partner, not embrace it as a normal way to live.
It is so sad that a young girl can be wooed in to a relationship where she thinks the fellow she has hooked up with is trustworthy and the love of her life...only to find later that the fellow has serious insecurities and resorts to violence to keep her at his side. She becomes fearful for her own life should she dare disobey his orders or try to leave the situation, so stays only to be continually abused and even physically scarred.
Lets face it, even the crappy kiddy soaps on television often have the main actors screaming at each other, slamming doors and refusing to even see logic...it's their way or the highway! Great examples set for their usually very young audience...not.
We read far too often where females are bullied and even murdered by their partners for daring to question them or try to leave...
dogbox said
10:45 AM May 3, 2024
governments of both persuasions have tried to deal with the issue as it is not new, if you can identify the people at risk how would you protect them?
we have kids in out of home care living (almost unsupervised) in motels/caravan parks some families even in tents because we cannot house the population we have now! women are trapped, the rental crisis is real
do we have a massive spend on public housing, more prisons, these things take years to become reality and like our roads/other infrastructure by the time they come into service they are outdated and overwhelmed?
tracking devices maybe a short term solution, providing there is the infrastructure to monitor and rapidly respond to breaches and if a person breaches the court orders how are they going to be dealt with? do laws have to be changed?
at the moment the government seem to be dumping a bucket load of money at the issue with no real end plan or solution. meetings (talk feast) are happening at present an the government has started throwing money before the meetings have happened with no plan even discussed.
smwhiskey said
11:03 AM May 3, 2024
dogbox wrote:
at the moment the government seem to be dumping a bucket load of money at the issue with no real end plan or solution. meetings (talk feast) are happening at present an the government has started throwing money before the meetings have happened with no plan even discussed.
Sadly, Because thats what governments do. They go out of their way to appear to be doing something without actually doing something.
DMaxer said
12:02 PM May 3, 2024
I guess it is all very well for an ex police officer to appear on that brain dead show and rip into a few dopey politicians. I don't know what that achieves besides a few minutes of fame on an unwatched program. When this officer finished his tirade, perhaps his attention should have been drawn to the findings of the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission report that detailed 79 cases involving 60 serving police officers resulting in 17 of the officers being charged with domestic violence offences. Adding to this was the number of overlooked cases resulting from the investigating officers confronted with one of their own as the person being accused. I wonder what his answer would be to what he thought about those figures.
What hope would a victim have if one of these officers attended the call out.
I recall back in my younger days that if police were called to a house where the wife was allegedly being assaulted, a mere warning would be given to the aggressor and then the whole incident ignored as being just "a domestic issue". With this approach, domestic violence went unchecked.
I think domestic violence is an act of gross cowardice and should be punished severely. Blaming politicians, laws, judges and et al solves nothing. Like everything else, the solution will be found in the early intervention and calling out of aggressive and bullying behaviour. I don't think we will get to all the young people but if it starts in the home and the schools it is at least a way to prevention and not just a reaction.
what is the price of safety, the cost could be a lot higher with the total disruption to one's life?
they will still be talking about how to deal with the bad people in the years to come. best to avoid them in the first place if possible
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If a kid is exposed to violence every day via the media, it becomes less confronting and even acceptable to them. So if they don't get their own way in what ever the matter is, resorting to violence is what they are conditioned to believe is normal. So lashing out isn't in their small minds bad...but rather what they need to do.
Of course upbringing does play a huge role in behavior, but that said, I have also come across numbers of kids who have been bought up with a violent father or dysfunctional family arrangement, and they came to abhor violence against their partner, not embrace it as a normal way to live.
It is so sad that a young girl can be wooed in to a relationship where she thinks the fellow she has hooked up with is trustworthy and the love of her life...only to find later that the fellow has serious insecurities and resorts to violence to keep her at his side. She becomes fearful for her own life should she dare disobey his orders or try to leave the situation, so stays only to be continually abused and even physically scarred.
Lets face it, even the crappy kiddy soaps on television often have the main actors screaming at each other, slamming doors and refusing to even see logic...it's their way or the highway! Great examples set for their usually very young audience...not.
We read far too often where females are bullied and even murdered by their partners for daring to question them or try to leave...
we have kids in out of home care living (almost unsupervised) in motels/caravan parks some families even in tents because we cannot house the population we have now! women are trapped, the rental crisis is real
do we have a massive spend on public housing, more prisons, these things take years to become reality and like our roads/other infrastructure by the time they come into service they are outdated and overwhelmed?
tracking devices maybe a short term solution, providing there is the infrastructure to monitor and rapidly respond to breaches and if a person breaches the court orders how are they going to be dealt with? do laws have to be changed?
at the moment the government seem to be dumping a bucket load of money at the issue with no real end plan or solution. meetings (talk feast) are happening at present an the government has started throwing money before the meetings have happened with no plan even discussed.
Sadly, Because thats what governments do. They go out of their way to appear to be doing something without actually doing something.
I guess it is all very well for an ex police officer to appear on that brain dead show and rip into a few dopey politicians. I don't know what that achieves besides a few minutes of fame on an unwatched program. When this officer finished his tirade, perhaps his attention should have been drawn to the findings of the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission report that detailed 79 cases involving 60 serving police officers resulting in 17 of the officers being charged with domestic violence offences. Adding to this was the number of overlooked cases resulting from the investigating officers confronted with one of their own as the person being accused. I wonder what his answer would be to what he thought about those figures.
What hope would a victim have if one of these officers attended the call out.
I recall back in my younger days that if police were called to a house where the wife was allegedly being assaulted, a mere warning would be given to the aggressor and then the whole incident ignored as being just "a domestic issue". With this approach, domestic violence went unchecked.
I think domestic violence is an act of gross cowardice and should be punished severely. Blaming politicians, laws, judges and et al solves nothing. Like everything else, the solution will be found in the early intervention and calling out of aggressive and bullying behaviour. I don't think we will get to all the young people but if it starts in the home and the schools it is at least a way to prevention and not just a reaction.