In my honest opinion it's okay to disagree on issues but not okay to personally attack others who have different opinions.
Exactly, sadly there are too many on this forum who feel its ok to be a smart arse with there comments to people who dissagree with them. In fact quite nasty at times and with very short memories!
Interesting comment Wanda; check out your last post in this thread just before it was closed:
Some, (and I emphasis the word some), people may turn into grumpy old men, when they get older
Over the years I have met some grumpy young men, men who liked arguing, for the sake of arguing, thankfully they did not become my friends
If any grumpy old men know that they are grumpy, and continue to be grumpy, then they should expect others to stay clear of them
I will also say that not everyone, who is fortunate enough to grow old, becomes a grumpy old man
Of every person who is/was on this forum, who I had met on the road, not one of them was a grumpy old man
Wanda said
04:38 PM Feb 25, 2022
Racists comments should always be called out, and thats NOT an opinion either!
Was nice to see a "few" others also call it as it was
Its a pity more did not, but thats life hey! Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Friday 25th of February 2022 05:21:55 PM
Mike Harding said
06:05 PM Feb 25, 2022
Unless, of course Wanda, judging from your previous posts, where you directed your brand of racism at old white men - clearly that's a bigotry you consider acceptable.
Wanda said
08:24 AM Feb 26, 2022
My brand of racism hey ???
-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 26th of February 2022 08:43:08 AM
Wanda said
08:25 AM Feb 26, 2022
Wanda wrote:
YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!
Crawl back under your rock please!
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:47 AM Feb 26, 2022
I believe that several behaviours should be called out: misogyny, racism, bullying, violence, abuse, etcetera, but some on this forum seem to think that is normal and say things like 'toughen up princess'. A very old and unacceptable attitude for modern life.
Wanda said
12:14 PM Feb 26, 2022
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
I believe that several behaviours should be called out: misogyny, racism, bullying, violence, abuse, etcetera, but some on this forum seem to think that is normal and say things like 'toughen up princess'. A very old and unacceptable attitude for modern life.
Well I guess we have a differance of opinion on that one Buzz, hardly in the same category as the racist comment made on a previous post. But you are entitled to your opinion all the same.
Don't recall hearing any comment from you re the racist comment made on that post!
Cheers
Ian
Rob Driver said
12:54 PM Feb 26, 2022
Some of you need to just lighten up a bit.
Wandas comment was directed at me I think. I am not a racist but he seems to think I am and he is entitled to his opinion.
Obviously the admin on the forum didnt agree with him.
In Aus we have had used varying terminology in reference to new Australians since immigration started. The term Poms comes immediately to mind.
We, or at least I, am Australian and our terminology of many things including those who were lucky enough to come to this country after any world or regional conflict need to realise that we generally accept them in an open and friendly manner.
I like my local curry muncher that manages my local service station, we stop and have a chat whenever I visit for fuel and this bloke has a sense of humour..
I say to him, how ya goincurry muncher and he says, bloody good Aussie honky.. no harm or racism in that at all.
Racism is not in the terminology used by many thousands of Aussies but is the result of some misaligned belief that we should all adopt the views actions and followings of what is a very vocal minority of the population.
Racism is when the member of a country migrates to another country to escape his own and then goes out on the street and decapitates two local policemen.
That Mr Wanda is racism
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 26th of February 2022 01:00:37 PM
Rob Driver said
01:05 PM Feb 26, 2022
To most others,
See what Wanda has done there, he has had to raise the locked topic again because he feels he didnt gain enough mileage before the topic was locked.
Wanda, you really need to go back and read the original post.
You need help
Clarky 1 said
01:27 PM Feb 26, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
To most others,
See what Wanda has done there, he has had to raise the locked topic again because he feels he didnt gain enough mileage before the topic was locked.
Wanda, you really need to go back and read the original post.
You need help
Hi Rob,
You raise a good point there. Not the comment about him going back to read the OP, he knows that the information wont apply to him.
I mean the comment about him raising the topic that was locked within another topic.
This action is one of the lowest forms of forum etiquette and is generally seriously frowned upon by those responsible for moderation. I know from other forums that this action is not tolerated at all.
Maybe he should concentrate less about racism and other members terminologies, and more about his forum manners.
Wanda said
02:19 PM Feb 26, 2022
Well actually it was your other mate Mike H who raised it, not sure why, I was only replying to his comment about me. I think I have the right of reply thankyou
Perhaps you should get your facts right first gents
RD, you may not be a racist, but your comment was, you have now posted several long winded excuses trying to escape your comment?
Cheers Ian
Mike Harding said
02:32 PM Feb 26, 2022
It is clear Wanda is a man with huge amounts of anger stored inside him.
He uses his "woke" persona as an excuse to vent his imagined righteousness upon others. At this stage in his life I doubt he will ever change or attempt to let go of his bitterness. It's just the way some people are.
Wanda said
02:43 PM Feb 26, 2022
Are, Mike the psychiatrist now, is there anything you can't do Mike?
You seem to know everything obout anything, and now a specialist as well!
Truly amazing
Have fun
Ian
oldbloke said
04:31 PM Feb 26, 2022
Something I have noticed over the years.
Single men are often difficult to get on with. Angry, grumpy and have very strange ideas. Often very high level of self esteem. (up them selves) Especially if they don't socialise very much.
A family and esp wives tend to help keep our feet on the ground. More so if they live in isolation.
And as mentioned earlier. Nothing like face to face. We lose a lot of the message with text only.
Oh, and just one or two stirrers here cause 90% of the arguments. It's only natural to react in a negative way if constantly baited. I've been guilty of being rude. But the dick got what he was asking for.
Of course the above does not apply to all. It's almost always just a few who stuff it for everyone.
86GTS said
05:39 PM Feb 26, 2022
I'm a bit disappointed that my original post has descended to this level.
On a "friendly retired persons travel forum" you shouldn't have to feel as though you are walking on egg shells.
Considering what's happening overseas right now we should all be eternally grateful.
Santa said
06:31 PM Feb 26, 2022
86GTS wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed that my original post has descended to this level. On a "friendly retired persons travel forum" you shouldn't have to feel as though you are walking on egg shells. Considering what's happening overseas right now we should all be eternally grateful.
Have to agree 86GTS, been quietly watching the progression of the thread, wondering when the acrimony was going to end, like the Duracell bunny, it just keeps going and going
As I posted earlier, this forum has more than it's share of grumpy old buggers.
I'm a bit disappointed that my original post has descended to this level. On a "friendly retired persons travel forum" you shouldn't have to feel as though you are walking on egg shells. Considering what's happening overseas right now we should all be eternally grateful.
Have to agree 86GTS, been quietly watching the progression of the thread, wondering when the acrimony was going to end, like the Duracell bunny, it just keeps going and going
As I posted earlier, this forum has more than it's share of grumpy old buggers.
Which brings things around the full circle.
If you people are so unhappy in their retirement go & seek help from a professional that specialises in depression/aggressive behaviour.
Ivan 01 said
08:22 AM Feb 27, 2022
86GTS wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed that my original post has descended to this level. On a "friendly retired persons travel forum" you shouldn't have to feel as though you are walking on egg shells. Considering what's happening overseas right now we should all be eternally grateful.
Hi 86 GTS
Your disappointment is noted and probably to be expected considering your original post which actually was a call out to the cranky old men on this forum.
Your attachment certainly has some merit and does offer an excuse to some to be as rude as they are on here.
I have been quite surprised that even some of the older or should I say longer term members can display extremely rude replies to those with whom they do not agree. I note that on repeated occasions those antagonistic comments that are made to others offering help or even making comment are generally made by those who offer no advice at all apart from their need to belittle another member with their rude and unnecessary comments.
This is really no different to other forums where the keyboard warriors find delight in ridiculing others and therein could be the result of your attached explanation.
It depends on the level of acceptance as to how far some are prepared to go with rude replies. Long term attendance should not be a permit to be rude to another.
Good luck with changing the trend.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:46 AM Feb 27, 2022
Wanda wrote:
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
I believe that several behaviours should be called out: misogyny, racism, bullying, violence, abuse, etcetera, but some on this forum seem to think that is normal and say things like 'toughen up princess'. A very old and unacceptable attitude for modern life.
Well I guess we have a differance of opinion on that one Buzz, hardly in the same category as the racist comment made on a previous post. But you are entitled to your opinion all the same.
Don't recall hearing any comment from you re the racist comment made on that post!
Cheers
Ian
No. Because one gets shot down like most of the previous posts. It's just not worth it. I'd hate to meet some of the members in real life.
Wanda said
12:06 PM Feb 27, 2022
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Wanda wrote:
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
I believe that several behaviours should be called out: misogyny, racism, bullying, violence, abuse, etcetera, but some on this forum seem to think that is normal and say things like 'toughen up princess'. A very old and unacceptable attitude for modern life.
Well I guess we have a differance of opinion on that one Buzz, hardly in the same category as the racist comment made on a previous post. But you are entitled to your opinion all the same.
Don't recall hearing any comment from you re the racist comment made on that post!
Cheers
Ian
No. Because one gets shot down like most of the previous posts. It's just not worth it. I'd hate to meet some of the members in real life.
I can understand your reasoning but I personally feel you have to call people out on some things, it really is not just about a difference of opinion, some people hide behind this argument.
Likewise, meeting some of these people is definitely not on my wish list.
Cheers and thanks for a civil response
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Sunday 27th of February 2022 12:07:49 PM
Ivan 01 said
01:51 PM Feb 27, 2022
I decided to do a little searching and it appears that this treatment is not as simple as some might anticipate.
Here is a little information with a fairly big warning. From the symptoms I didnt see anger listed but not doubting that this is the case.
Wow, I just re read the symptoms that may occur by receiving the topical treatment and after that list maybe Chemotherapy is not that bad after all.
You would have to be one angry bastard to want to receive that testosterone treatment.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Sunday 27th of February 2022 02:34:57 PM
There are many less severe hormone replacement therapies available for older folk. Very similar to female hormone replacement.
An internet search or maybe a visit to your GP may prove fruitful.
Sarco Harris said
08:11 PM Feb 27, 2022
Personally, I cannot believe the venom I see spewed out here at times.
Like everything in life, I happily admit I hold different views to others.
All ARE ENTITLED to their view, if I don't agree, there is absolutely no need for me to rant and rave against their view. I take it on board, and acknowledge their view and also acknowledge that I disagree.
I have many friends who have different and truly divergent views to my own. BUT they are still friends! I even have younger and some older relatives that are the same.
Many of them don't even look at forums that have a view that differs from their own and others that "happily" log into forums with divergent views and rant about everyone and the opinion held by everyone else on the particular forum and have actually admitted to me, that they enjoy doing it.
Note sometimes I would include myself in this group.
But to me it come down to very simple measures. If you don't like what may be said, don't read it FFS! Or even don't log in and delete all links to the forum.
Otherwise live with it!
Sarco
Ivan 01 said
08:12 PM Feb 27, 2022
86GTS wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
I decided to do a little searching and it appears that this treatment is not as simple as some might anticipate.
Here is a little information with a fairly big warning. From the symptoms I didnt see anger listed but not doubting that this is the case.
Wow, I just re read the symptoms that may occur by receiving the topical treatment and after that list maybe Chemotherapy is not that bad after all.
You would have to be one angry bastard to want to receive that testosterone treatment.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Sunday 27th of February 2022 02:34:57 PM
There are many less severe hormone replacement therapies available for older folk. Very similar to female hormone replacement.
An internet search or maybe a visit to your GP may prove fruitful.
It is interesting you mention HRT.
My sister decided to undertake that a few years ago. She was in her 50s. From my observations and hers and her husbands comments, it did not do her a lot of good.
Dont shoot the messenger, I only looked up the the expected symptoms because of the huge list of conditions I was to expect during my recent Chemotherapy treatment.
I could just see the look on my GPs face if I fronted up and mentioned that I now want testosterone treatment.
I personally think that most of the anger displayed on this and some other forums is for the most occurring, because 99% of contributors are anonymous to each other and they are permitted to get away with being downright rude to others whenever the subject or anothers views dont fit with their beliefs on the topic at hand.
Hormone treatment wont fix that.
iana said
08:29 PM Feb 27, 2022
I wonder if the, I shall say "Frustration" displayed here and on other forums is due to the fact we have now retired, we have gone from working at some profession, feeling useful, using our skills and expertise, to just sitting and feeling completely wasted. One of our windows is to go onto forums, where we can show our " Expertise" to others, except others are in the same situation.
I have gone from doing engineering projects, design, repairs etc., to now sitting in a Life Style village, I have a choice of playing bowls, or gardening and if they don't suit, feeling completely useless. What I would give for a decent project.
So maybe the problem is more complex than just hormone treatment, maybe its retired old mans syndrome :)
oldbloke said
10:58 PM Feb 27, 2022
iana wrote:
I wonder if the, I shall say "Frustration" displayed here and on other forums is due to the fact we have now retired, we have gone from working at some profession, feeling useful, using our skills and expertise, to just sitting and feeling completely wasted. One of our windows is to go onto forums, where we can show our " Expertise" to others, except others are in the same situation. I have gone from doing engineering projects, design, repairs etc., to now sitting in a Life Style village, I have a choice of playing bowls, or gardening and if they don't suit, feeling completely useless. What I would give for a decent project. So maybe the problem is more complex than just hormone treatment, maybe its retired old mans syndrome :)
I'm sure there is some truth in that.
I've known blokes to work into their 80s, then drop dead.
Others retire at 65, no hobbies, drop dead.
Generally blokes aren't meant to be bored. Take up a hobby or sport. Try making beer. Lol.
P.S. I hate auto correct. Lol...
-- Edited by oldbloke on Sunday 27th of February 2022 10:59:21 PM
86GTS said
10:48 AM Feb 28, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
iana wrote:
I wonder if the, I shall say "Frustration" displayed here and on other forums is due to the fact we have now retired, we have gone from working at some profession, feeling useful, using our skills and expertise, to just sitting and feeling completely wasted. One of our windows is to go onto forums, where we can show our " Expertise" to others, except others are in the same situation. I have gone from doing engineering projects, design, repairs etc., to now sitting in a Life Style village, I have a choice of playing bowls, or gardening and if they don't suit, feeling completely useless. What I would give for a decent project. So maybe the problem is more complex than just hormone treatment, maybe its retired old mans syndrome :)
I'm sure there is some truth in that.
I've known blokes to work into their 80s, then drop dead.
Others retire at 65, no hobbies, drop dead.
Generally blokes aren't meant to be bored. Take up a hobby or sport. Try making beer. Lol.
P.S. I hate auto correct. Lol...
-- Edited by oldbloke on Sunday 27th of February 2022 10:59:21 PM
That's exactly why I bought a sports car to enjoy when I'm not towing a caravan around.
It's a complete lifestyle contrast.
Wear some smart casual clothes & enjoy a few day trips per week.
Visit wineries, restaurants, cheese factories, farm gates or just drive up into the mountains for a picnic lunch.
My wife really enjoys it too, we feel like we're back in our 20's.
Not to mention the exhilaration of driving something sporty.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Monday 28th of February 2022 10:49:02 AM
oldbloke said
05:37 PM Feb 28, 2022
86GTS, thx, a good reminder to get out more.
Craig1 said
08:15 PM Feb 28, 2022
x2, OB and GTs, just dont expect me to ever get out of your little machine
Interesting comment Wanda; check out your last post in this thread just before it was closed:
Wanda screams "Racist"
In my opinion, so I may be wrong
Some, (and I emphasis the word some), people may turn into grumpy old men, when they get older
Over the years I have met some grumpy young men, men who liked arguing, for the sake of arguing, thankfully they did not become my friends
If any grumpy old men know that they are grumpy, and continue to be grumpy, then they should expect others to stay clear of them
I will also say that not everyone, who is fortunate enough to grow old, becomes a grumpy old man
Of every person who is/was on this forum, who I had met on the road, not one of them was a grumpy old man
Racists comments should always be called out, and thats NOT an opinion either!
Was nice to see a "few" others also call it as it was
Its a pity more did not, but thats life hey!
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Friday 25th of February 2022 05:21:55 PM
Unless, of course Wanda, judging from your previous posts, where you directed your brand of racism at old white men - clearly that's a bigotry you consider acceptable.
My brand of racism hey ???
-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 26th of February 2022 08:43:08 AM
I believe that several behaviours should be called out: misogyny, racism, bullying, violence, abuse, etcetera, but some on this forum seem to think that is normal and say things like 'toughen up princess'. A very old and unacceptable attitude for modern life.
Well I guess we have a differance of opinion on that one Buzz, hardly in the same category as the racist comment made on a previous post. But you are entitled to your opinion all the same.
Don't recall hearing any comment from you re the racist comment made on that post!
Cheers
Ian
Some of you need to just lighten up a bit.
Wandas comment was directed at me I think.
I am not a racist but he seems to think I am and he is entitled to his opinion.
Obviously the admin on the forum didnt agree with him.
In Aus we have had used varying terminology in reference to new Australians since immigration started.
The term Poms comes immediately to mind.
We, or at least I, am Australian and our terminology of many things including those who were lucky enough to come to this country after any world or regional conflict need to realise that we generally accept them in an open and friendly manner.
I like my local curry muncher that manages my local service station, we stop and have a chat whenever I visit for fuel and this bloke has a sense of humour..
I say to him, how ya goincurry muncher and he says, bloody good Aussie honky.. no harm or racism in that at all.
Racism is not in the terminology used by many thousands of Aussies but is the result of some misaligned belief that we should all adopt the views actions and followings of what is a very vocal minority of the population.
Racism is when the member of a country migrates to another country to escape his own and then goes out on the street and decapitates two local policemen.
That Mr Wanda is racism
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 26th of February 2022 01:00:37 PM
See what Wanda has done there, he has had to raise the locked topic again because he feels he didnt gain enough mileage before the topic was locked.
Wanda, you really need to go back and read the original post.
You need help
Hi Rob,
You raise a good point there. Not the comment about him going back to read the OP, he knows that the information wont apply to him.
I mean the comment about him raising the topic that was locked within another topic.
This action is one of the lowest forms of forum etiquette and is generally seriously frowned upon by those responsible for moderation. I know from other forums that this action is not tolerated at all.
Maybe he should concentrate less about racism and other members terminologies, and more about his forum manners.
Well actually it was your other mate Mike H who raised it, not sure why, I was only replying to his comment about me. I think I have the right of reply thankyou
Perhaps you should get your facts right first gents
RD, you may not be a racist, but your comment was, you have now posted several long winded excuses trying to escape your comment?
Cheers
Ian
It is clear Wanda is a man with huge amounts of anger stored inside him.
He uses his "woke" persona as an excuse to vent his imagined righteousness upon others. At this stage in his life I doubt he will ever change or attempt to let go of his bitterness. It's just the way some people are.
You seem to know everything obout anything, and now a specialist as well!
Truly amazing
Have fun
Ian
Single men are often difficult to get on with. Angry, grumpy and have very strange ideas. Often very high level of self esteem. (up them selves) Especially if they don't socialise very much.
A family and esp wives tend to help keep our feet on the ground. More so if they live in isolation.
And as mentioned earlier. Nothing like face to face. We lose a lot of the message with text only.
Oh, and just one or two stirrers here cause 90% of the arguments. It's only natural to react in a negative way if constantly baited. I've been guilty of being rude. But the dick got what he was asking for.
Of course the above does not apply to all. It's almost always just a few who stuff it for everyone.
On a "friendly retired persons travel forum" you shouldn't have to feel as though you are walking on egg shells.
Considering what's happening overseas right now we should all be eternally grateful.
Have to agree 86GTS, been quietly watching the progression of the thread, wondering when the acrimony was going to end, like the Duracell bunny, it just keeps going and going
As I posted earlier, this forum has more than it's share of grumpy old buggers.
Which brings things around the full circle.
If you people are so unhappy in their retirement go & seek help from a professional that specialises in depression/aggressive behaviour.
Hi 86 GTS
Your disappointment is noted and probably to be expected considering your original post which actually was a call out to the cranky old men on this forum.
Your attachment certainly has some merit and does offer an excuse to some to be as rude as they are on here.
I have been quite surprised that even some of the older or should I say longer term members can display extremely rude replies to those with whom they do not agree.
I note that on repeated occasions those antagonistic comments that are made to others offering help or even making comment are generally made by those who offer no advice at all apart from their need to belittle another member with their rude and unnecessary comments.
This is really no different to other forums where the keyboard warriors find delight in ridiculing others and therein could be the result of your attached explanation.
It depends on the level of acceptance as to how far some are prepared to go with rude replies. Long term attendance should not be a permit to be rude to another.
Good luck with changing the trend.
No. Because one gets shot down like most of the previous posts. It's just not worth it. I'd hate to meet some of the members in real life.
I can understand your reasoning but I personally feel you have to call people out on some things, it really is not just about a difference of opinion, some people hide behind this argument.
Likewise, meeting some of these people is definitely not on my wish list.
Cheers and thanks for a civil response
Ian
-- Edited by Wanda on Sunday 27th of February 2022 12:07:49 PM
I decided to do a little searching and it appears that this treatment is not as simple as some might anticipate.
Here is a little information with a fairly big warning.
From the symptoms I didnt see anger listed but not doubting that this is the case.
https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a605020.html
https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a605020.html
edit: post a link that is clickable.
Wow, I just re read the symptoms that may occur by receiving the topical treatment and after that list maybe Chemotherapy is not that bad after all.
You would have to be one angry bastard to want to receive that testosterone treatment.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Sunday 27th of February 2022 02:34:57 PM
There are many less severe hormone replacement therapies available for older folk. Very similar to female hormone replacement.
An internet search or maybe a visit to your GP may prove fruitful.
Like everything in life, I happily admit I hold different views to others.
All ARE ENTITLED to their view, if I don't agree, there is absolutely no need for me to rant and rave against their view. I take it on board, and acknowledge their view and also acknowledge that I disagree.
I have many friends who have different and truly divergent views to my own. BUT they are still friends! I even have younger and some older relatives that are the same.
Many of them don't even look at forums that have a view that differs from their own and others that "happily" log into forums with divergent views and rant about everyone and the opinion held by everyone else on the particular forum and have actually admitted to me, that they enjoy doing it.
Note sometimes I would include myself in this group.
But to me it come down to very simple measures. If you don't like what may be said, don't read it FFS! Or even don't log in and delete all links to the forum.
Otherwise live with it!
Sarco
It is interesting you mention HRT.
My sister decided to undertake that a few years ago. She was in her 50s. From my observations and hers and her husbands comments, it did not do her a lot of good.
Dont shoot the messenger, I only looked up the the expected symptoms because of the huge list of conditions I was to expect during my recent Chemotherapy treatment.
I could just see the look on my GPs face if I fronted up and mentioned that I now want testosterone treatment.
I personally think that most of the anger displayed on this and some other forums is for the most occurring, because 99% of contributors are anonymous to each other and they are permitted to get away with being downright rude to others whenever the subject or anothers views dont fit with their beliefs on the topic at hand.
Hormone treatment wont fix that.
I have gone from doing engineering projects, design, repairs etc., to now sitting in a Life Style village, I have a choice of playing bowls, or gardening and if they don't suit, feeling completely useless. What I would give for a decent project.
So maybe the problem is more complex than just hormone treatment, maybe its retired old mans syndrome :)
I'm sure there is some truth in that.
I've known blokes to work into their 80s, then drop dead.
Others retire at 65, no hobbies, drop dead.
Generally blokes aren't meant to be bored. Take up a hobby or sport. Try making beer. Lol.
P.S. I hate auto correct. Lol...
-- Edited by oldbloke on Sunday 27th of February 2022 10:59:21 PM
That's exactly why I bought a sports car to enjoy when I'm not towing a caravan around.
It's a complete lifestyle contrast.
Wear some smart casual clothes & enjoy a few day trips per week.
Visit wineries, restaurants, cheese factories, farm gates or just drive up into the mountains for a picnic lunch.
My wife really enjoys it too, we feel like we're back in our 20's.
Not to mention the exhilaration of driving something sporty.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Monday 28th of February 2022 10:49:02 AM