Normally I would let Yobarr answer a question of tare weights but I happen to have it here:
New Age Big Red - 23-feet en suite bunk beds: 2800KG.
The towing maximum for the latest Ford Territory is 2700KG, up from 2300KG for earlier models. (Now someone will say: "But we don't know what year his Territory is.")
Murray
Eaglemax said
01:42 PM Aug 30, 2021
Yobarr, what is the weight of "stuff". You wouldn't make a barrister but you remind people all the time about "simple facts". Tony
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 30th of August 2021 01:42:31 PM
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 30th of August 2021 01:54:10 PM
Eaglemax said
01:50 PM Aug 30, 2021
I might just post a pic of my rig. People guess the caravan weighs tare around 1200kg and atm 1600kg.
It's 730kg tare/1000kg atm .. 16x7ft. and towed by a car that appears 1938 vintage many assume has a low hp engine. It has Holden v6 3800cc engine.
Now wonder how many take pics and /or have the urge to report mine to police? Instead of having a chat?
I might just post a pic of my rig. People guess the caravan weighs tare around 1200kg and atm 1600kg.
It's 730kg tare/1000kg atm .. 16x7ft. and towed by a car that appears 1938 vintage many assume has a low hp engine. It has Holden v6 3800cc engine.
Now wonder how many take pics and /or have the urge to report mine to police? Instead of having a chat?
Tony
yobarr said
04:18 PM Aug 30, 2021
Long Weekend wrote:
Normally I would let Yobarr answer a question of tare weights but I happen to have it here:
New Age Big Red - 23-feet en suite bunk beds: 2800KG.
The towing maximum for the latest Ford Territory is 2700KG, up from 2300KG for earlier models. (Now someone will say: "But we don't know what year his Territory is.") Murray
Thanks Murray,for researching the tare of the subject caravan.As you suggest,the Territory tow car is overloaded,illegal and dangerous even BEFORE anything is added to the tare weight.Spare me! As far as tow capacity of the Territory goes,all 2wd Territory models can tow 2300kg if fitted with the Ford Heavy Duty tow pack,while the AWD models have tow capacity of 2700kg,if fitted with that Heavy Duty towpack. However,the lightweight rear axle makes it impossible to ever reach that figure.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 30th of August 2021 05:27:29 PM
yobarr said
04:32 PM Aug 30, 2021
Eaglemax wrote:
Yobarr, what is the weight of "stuff". You wouldn't make a barrister but you remind people all the time about "simple facts". Tony
Bit of spare time today,have we,Tony? I ask that you actually READ the post I made today at 7.41am,and you then will/should understand (?) where I determined that the "stuff" loaded into the van AND the car was indeed heavy.The R-Send of the car dragging on the ground also suggests that one or both of these vehicles is loaded with heavy "stuff"? Hope this helps you to understand these "simple facts".Cheers
yobarr said
04:51 PM Aug 30, 2021
Eaglemax wrote:
I might just post a pic of my rig. People guess the caravan weighs tare around 1200kg and atm 1600kg. It's 730kg tare/1000kg atm .. 16x7ft. and towed by a car that appears 1938 vintage many assume has a low hp engine. It has Holden v6 3800cc engine.Now wonder how many take pics and /or have the urge to report mine to police? Instead of having a chat?
Tony
Thanks,Tony,for supplying these figures for your car and van.Always good to see a good result from careful planning,but comparing your setup with that of the subject vehicle is an exercise in stupidity. I cannot even imagine where you'd fit five children,let alone the beer fridge,although you may well have a generator that we can't see,hanging off the back of your van? Likely you can safely travel after dark,whereas the subject vehicle's headlights would be pointed skyward, and would be of no use. No matter how much some may waffle on,and defend the indefensible, the simple facts are (there you go,just for you) that the car and van are overloaded,unsafe,uninsured and an accident looking for a place to happen. Death trap. The Territory is limited to an 80km/hr speed limit when towing,but with that weight,and only 140kw,I doubt that that car would ever reach that speed on a flat road? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 30th of August 2021 05:30:15 PM
Eaglemax said
05:35 PM Aug 30, 2021
yobarr wrote:
Eaglemax wrote:
Yobarr, what is the weight of "stuff". You wouldn't make a barrister but you remind people all the time about "simple facts". Tony
Bit of spare time today,have we,Tony? I ask that you actually READ the post I made today at 7.41am,and you then will/should understand (?) where I determined that the "stuff" loaded into the van AND the car was indeed heavy.The R-Send of the car dragging on the ground also suggests that one or both of these vehicles is loaded with heavy "stuff"? Hope this helps you to understand these "simple facts".Cheers
Actually Yobarr, I rarely read your replies. But on this occasion you apparently havent read mine where I said in terms of the overweight issue- "AND APPEARS SO" appears means I'm not into hanging a family on a picture even if it is obviously overweight. Yes, there is the safety factor but again there is a mouth we all have and a voice that can be used. It was mentioned that with 7 on board where do you put all the heavy stuff? Too many topics here not supported as facts. So what is a fact? Well thousands of years ago there was a giant sea turtle 4 metres long that swam on the oceam floor and to survive it ate other sea creatures....and thats a fact... :)
Tony
Long Weekend said
10:33 AM Aug 31, 2021
To digress a little. Followers of the many postings by Eaglemax Tony may have been intrigued by his choice of tug.
The JBA Falcon is a 'kit' car imported from England and assembled by the owner. Engines are chosen by the builder, in Tony's case a Holden 3.8 litre, but could be anything available that fits. The name of the company making the kits, JBA, are the first initials of the three founders.
If anyone wants one like it I believe that there is a white one for sale in Perth at this time. Or you can arrange to have one imported from England and DIY.
Now, back to the 'discussions' about weight!
Murray
KJB said
10:48 AM Aug 31, 2021
Long Weekend wrote:
To digress a little. Followers of the many postings by Eaglemax Tony may have been intrigued by his choice of tug.
The JBA Falcon is a 'kit' car imported from England and assembled by the owner. Engines are chosen by the builder, in Tony's case a Holden 3.8 litre, but could be anything available that fits. The name of the company making the kits, JBA, are the first initials of the three founders.
If anyone wants one like it I believe that there is a white one for sale in Perth at this time. Or you can arrange to have one imported from England and DIY.
Now, back to the 'discussions' about weight!
Murray
To build/restore a car is a great hobby , it lets you interact with a lot of people (...nowadays ,via Internet , from all over the world...) , prevents you from becoming dependent on entertainment to fill in time (BIG PLUS ) and so keeps your mind (and body..) active and gives you heaps of satisfaction and also something useful when completed. KB
orid said
12:12 PM Aug 31, 2021
Sorry Eaglemax I didnt get chance to talk with the guy, I was too busy trying to weigh his kids but I couldnt catch them as they were running around too fast for this 73 yr old , Im also pretty sure this young guy on his suicide mission who tried to avoid me at all costs would have not taken kindly too any suggestion that he was DEFINATLY putting his 6 Loved ones lives at risk, and I do tend to bruise easily nowadays . You and Montie are .,,,,????!!!mmm
Eaglemax said
01:52 PM Aug 31, 2021
No problem Orid. I understand. I admit I was harsh. Tony
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Tuesday 31st of August 2021 01:53:42 PM
oldvanman said
03:44 PM Sep 5, 2021
I just read this thread, I owned a Ford Territory Ghia and they can come with 7 seats and they are rated to 2300kg towing capacity.
While some in the thread are thinking of the persons economic circumstances that sentiment is admirable but the overriding issue is the safety and welfare of the children
and danger to other road users if the vehicles driver looses control if it is overloaded.
Depending on the experience of the person witnessing the caravan and its possible weight issues they should report the matter to the
relevant authorities such as the police or RMS inspectors to allow them to asses the car, van and any overloading issues.
The number of children riding in the vehicle their safety and welfare are the overriding priority !
New Age Big Red - 23-feet en suite bunk beds: 2800KG.
The towing maximum for the latest Ford Territory is 2700KG, up from 2300KG for earlier models. (Now someone will say: "But we don't know what year his Territory is.")
Murray
Yobarr, what is the weight of "stuff". You wouldn't make a barrister but you remind people all the time about "simple facts".
Tony
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 30th of August 2021 01:42:31 PM
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 30th of August 2021 01:54:10 PM
I might just post a pic of my rig. People guess the caravan weighs tare around 1200kg and atm 1600kg.
It's 730kg tare/1000kg atm .. 16x7ft. and towed by a car that appears 1938 vintage many assume has a low hp engine. It has Holden v6 3800cc engine.
Now wonder how many take pics and /or have the urge to report mine to police? Instead of having a chat?
Tony
I might just post a pic of my rig. People guess the caravan weighs tare around 1200kg and atm 1600kg.
It's 730kg tare/1000kg atm .. 16x7ft. and towed by a car that appears 1938 vintage many assume has a low hp engine. It has Holden v6 3800cc engine.
Now wonder how many take pics and /or have the urge to report mine to police? Instead of having a chat?
Tony
Thanks Murray,for researching the tare of the subject caravan.As you suggest,the Territory tow car is overloaded,illegal and dangerous even BEFORE anything is added to the tare weight.Spare me! As far as tow capacity of the Territory goes,all 2wd Territory models can tow 2300kg if fitted with the Ford Heavy Duty tow pack,while the AWD models have tow capacity of 2700kg,if fitted with that Heavy Duty towpack. However,the lightweight rear axle makes it impossible to ever reach that figure.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 30th of August 2021 05:27:29 PM
Bit of spare time today,have we,Tony? I ask that you actually READ the post I made today at 7.41am,and you then will/should understand (?) where I determined that the "stuff" loaded into the van AND the car was indeed heavy.The R-Send of the car dragging on the ground also suggests that one or both of these vehicles is loaded with heavy "stuff"? Hope this helps you to understand these "simple facts".Cheers
Thanks,Tony,for supplying these figures for your car and van.Always good to see a good result from careful planning,but comparing your setup with that of the subject vehicle is an exercise in stupidity. I cannot even imagine where you'd fit five children,let alone the beer fridge,although you may well have a generator that we can't see,hanging off the back of your van? Likely you can safely travel after dark,whereas the subject vehicle's headlights would be pointed skyward, and would be of no use. No matter how much some may waffle on,and defend the indefensible, the simple facts are (there you go,just for you) that the car and van are overloaded,unsafe,uninsured and an accident looking for a place to happen. Death trap. The Territory is limited to an 80km/hr speed limit when towing,but with that weight,and only 140kw,I doubt that that car would ever reach that speed on a flat road? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 30th of August 2021 05:30:15 PM
Actually Yobarr, I rarely read your replies. But on this occasion you apparently havent read mine where I said in terms of the overweight issue- "AND APPEARS SO" appears means I'm not into hanging a family on a picture even if it is obviously overweight. Yes, there is the safety factor but again there is a mouth we all have and a voice that can be used. It was mentioned that with 7 on board where do you put all the heavy stuff? Too many topics here not supported as facts. So what is a fact? Well thousands of years ago there was a giant sea turtle 4 metres long that swam on the oceam floor and to survive it ate other sea creatures....and thats a fact... :)
Tony
The JBA Falcon is a 'kit' car imported from England and assembled by the owner. Engines are chosen by the builder, in Tony's case a Holden 3.8 litre, but could be anything available that fits. The name of the company making the kits, JBA, are the first initials of the three founders.
If anyone wants one like it I believe that there is a white one for sale in Perth at this time. Or you can arrange to have one imported from England and DIY.
Now, back to the 'discussions' about weight!
Murray
To build/restore a car is a great hobby , it lets you interact with a lot of people (...nowadays ,via Internet , from all over the world...) , prevents you from becoming dependent on entertainment to fill in time (BIG PLUS ) and so keeps your mind (and body..) active and gives you heaps of satisfaction and also something useful when completed. KB
No problem Orid. I understand. I admit I was harsh.
Tony
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Tuesday 31st of August 2021 01:53:42 PM
I just read this thread, I owned a Ford Territory Ghia and they can come with 7 seats and they are rated to 2300kg towing capacity.
While some in the thread are thinking of the persons economic circumstances that sentiment is admirable but the overriding issue is the safety and welfare of the children
and danger to other road users if the vehicles driver looses control if it is overloaded.
Depending on the experience of the person witnessing the caravan and its possible weight issues they should report the matter to the
relevant authorities such as the police or RMS inspectors to allow them to asses the car, van and any overloading issues.
The number of children riding in the vehicle their safety and welfare are the overriding priority !
The generator would be closely looked at as well.