exorbitant increase in the cost of using M2 and M7 in Sydney.
yobarr said
10:47 AM Oct 23, 2019
wasn_me wrote:
Does this change apply to the Logan Motor Way in QLD? I use it regularly. There's two tolls to get across it. Cheers Pete
Cars towing caravans or trailers are class 2 vehicles,and pay the same toll as a car.Cheers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 10:50:43 AM
Finny said
11:00 AM Oct 23, 2019
yobarr wrote:
Finny wrote:
A caravan is only another car its not a 50ton rig. So if I put a canoe on the roof of my car (4x4) I am considered a heavy vehicle, give me a brake.
You probably would "get a break".........the higher toll applies only if your two axle vehicle exceeds 2800mm in height.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 10:03:41 AM
Whats height got to do with it.
Like I said write to your state member we have a voice.
Its just as easy to to email your member as it is to express you thoughts here.
yobarr said
11:19 AM Oct 23, 2019
Finny wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Finny wrote:
A caravan is only another car its not a 50ton rig. So if I put a canoe on the roof of my car (4x4) I am considered a heavy vehicle, give me a brake.
You probably would "get a break".........the higher toll applies only if your two axle vehicle exceeds 2800mm in height.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 10:03:41 AM
Whats height got to do with it.
Like I said write to your state member we have a voice.
Its just as easy to to email your member as it is to express you thoughts here.
Hi John.....you seem to be missing the point? You claimed that a canoe on the roof of your car would cause that car to be considered a heavy vehicle? The purpose of my response was to inform you that,provided your vehicle height is less than 2800mm on a two axle vehicle,the lower toll applies.I hope that this clears up any confusion.Cheers.
P.S And if you dont want to pay the tolls,consider an alternative route.
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12:18 PM Oct 23, 2019
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Jaahn said
12:44 PM Oct 23, 2019
Hi
So the question to ask, which is relevant to the canoe on the top and anyone else with a roof rack and gear etc. Does the 2800 height refer to the actual height as measured by a sensor at the toll point or the stated height on the registration data for that model.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 02:49:22 PM
Whenarewethere said
02:46 PM Oct 23, 2019
It is effectively a private road & we can choose not to use it.
I drove through Melbourne earlier this year to go to Tassie & chose not to use the tollway for the same reason I avoid using tollways in Sydney.
I do occasionally use the Sydney Harbour Bridge to the airport but always return via a non toll road, otherwise going there is via Gladesville Bridge.
For me the cost also allowing for petrol & time doesn't justify the extra expense.
P.S. I have no space to park a caravan, on street parking in my area is $500 per year for a council permit.
Ger08 said
05:36 PM Oct 23, 2019
Whenarewethere wrote:
Number plate recognition & you get an invoice in the mail, you are also charged extra if you don't have an Etag.
But how do they enforce it?
BW said
05:46 PM Oct 23, 2019
Might be they take your licence away if you don't pay the fine, like they did with me when I didn't vote in a local election whilst I was travelling. Found out on the day the suspended my licence, I rushed down the post office and paid then rung them up, only to find out that if I told them what happened I would have been excused. My mail was having a hard time catching up with me , as I was working all over the place.
erad said
10:37 AM Oct 24, 2019
The massive hit originally raised in this post applies only to the M2 and M7 motorways in Sydney. They were already hugely overpriced compared to their equivalents in Melbourne and Brisbane, but this latest slug really takes the cake. Virtually any car + caravan will be more than 12.5 m long. Forget the height - 2.8 m puts most full height caravans into the truck class as well.
One of the main benefits of the M2 and M7 to Sydneysiders is getting the through traffic off the local roads and reducing congestion. Now, there will probably be more caravans choking up the local roads, annoying the locals even more. I guess there aren't that many caravans relative to trucks so the pollies don't really care. I for one am going to write to my local member complaining about this, but I doubt that he will even acknowledge my letter. Still, it is worth trying. This gives me even more reason to stay away from Sydney.
Cupie said
04:35 PM Oct 24, 2019
This certainly caught my attention because of its possible extension to the Brisbane Gateway toll system.
My home base is ideally placed to use the gateway to go north or west (I use the freeway to go south & east takes me into the big water). Any increase of the size applied in Sydney would certainly cause me to change my route .. lots of alternatives available & not too congested off peak.
When travelling interstate I usually avoid toll roads, not being certain that my etag will work. (confusing/conflicting information on the various internet sites) & I prefer to drive through the different suburbs rather than the look alike Tollways.
ps. I'll bite my tongue & not contribute to the discussion on the right to charge whatever the market will bear.
The Belmont Bear said
11:16 PM Oct 24, 2019
TEaglemax wrote:
Every few years we tow up the Hume to Newcastle via those tollways. Is there an alternative route to Newy and avoiding those money grabbing ars.hole tolls?
Btw we taxpayers here in vic fully owned the tullamarine freeway when toll were introduced then private companies made and are still making profit from them with tolls. Nice one Jeff Kennett.
Tony
Tony we live in Lake Mac (Newcastle) and I avoid travelling through Sydney with or without the van whenever its possible. We are currently travelling in western NSW and will head down to Mildura then back along the Murray. To get home I will be using the inland highways Wagga, Cowra, Bathurst , Mudgee then back to Hunter via the Golden Hwy. It works for us but then we are not usually in that big a hurry to get there.
Cheers
BB
GypsyRose1 said
03:32 PM Oct 31, 2019
Yep. Up through cowra, bathurst, up to Mudgee/cassilis and down to Newcastle. Much nicer and quite a few spots to free camp.
Cupie said
12:50 AM Nov 7, 2019
At least for the present, in Qld/Brisbane, a car towing a caravan is still charged as a car.
Cars towing caravans or trailers are class 2 vehicles,and pay the same toll as a car.Cheers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 10:50:43 AM
Whats height got to do with it.
Like I said write to your state member we have a voice.
Its just as easy to to email your member as it is to express you thoughts here.
Hi John.....you seem to be missing the point? You claimed that a canoe on the roof of your car would cause that car to be considered a heavy vehicle? The purpose of my response was to inform you that,provided your vehicle height is less than 2800mm on a two axle vehicle,the lower toll applies.I hope that this clears up any confusion.Cheers.
P.S And if you dont want to pay the tolls,consider an alternative route.
Hi All,
Just a quick reminder to keep posts focused on the topic rather than on the member who posted. We do not allow personal attacks on our forum.
Hi
So the question to ask, which is relevant to the canoe on the top and anyone else with a roof rack and gear etc. Does the 2800 height refer to the actual height as measured by a sensor at the toll point or the stated height on the registration data for that model.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 02:49:22 PM
It is effectively a private road & we can choose not to use it.
I drove through Melbourne earlier this year to go to Tassie & chose not to use the tollway for the same reason I avoid using tollways in Sydney.
I do occasionally use the Sydney Harbour Bridge to the airport but always return via a non toll road, otherwise going there is via Gladesville Bridge.
For me the cost also allowing for petrol & time doesn't justify the extra expense.
P.S. I have no space to park a caravan, on street parking in my area is $500 per year for a council permit.
But how do they enforce it?
One of the main benefits of the M2 and M7 to Sydneysiders is getting the through traffic off the local roads and reducing congestion. Now, there will probably be more caravans choking up the local roads, annoying the locals even more. I guess there aren't that many caravans relative to trucks so the pollies don't really care. I for one am going to write to my local member complaining about this, but I doubt that he will even acknowledge my letter. Still, it is worth trying. This gives me even more reason to stay away from Sydney.
This certainly caught my attention because of its possible extension to the Brisbane Gateway toll system.
My home base is ideally placed to use the gateway to go north or west (I use the freeway to go south & east takes me into the big water). Any increase of the size applied in Sydney would certainly cause me to change my route .. lots of alternatives available & not too congested off peak.
When travelling interstate I usually avoid toll roads, not being certain that my etag will work. (confusing/conflicting information on the various internet sites) & I prefer to drive through the different suburbs rather than the look alike Tollways.
ps. I'll bite my tongue & not contribute to the discussion on the right to charge whatever the market will bear.
Tony we live in Lake Mac (Newcastle) and I avoid travelling through Sydney with or without the van whenever its possible. We are currently travelling in western NSW and will head down to Mildura then back along the Murray. To get home I will be using the inland highways Wagga, Cowra, Bathurst , Mudgee then back to Hunter via the Golden Hwy. It works for us but then we are not usually in that big a hurry to get there.
Cheers
BB
Yep. Up through cowra, bathurst, up to Mudgee/cassilis and down to Newcastle. Much nicer and quite a few spots to free camp.
At least for the present, in Qld/Brisbane, a car towing a caravan is still charged as a car.
https://help.linkt.com.au/brisbane/article/brisbane/using-toll-roads/toll-roads/what-is-my-vehicle-class