Must slow to 40km/h (25km/h in SA) or massive fine
aussie_paul said
01:27 PM Jan 11, 2019
Eaglemax wrote:
Ive never been in the police force but in my line of work- security, ranger, control room operator, investigations, warder etc spanning my whole working life, plus my being a member of the public that copped the occasional fine, Ive only once had a crew (one car, 2 police members) treat me really unfairly.
To my knowledge if a traffic cop returned to his station with say 2 fines over an 8 hour period, questions would be asked. That is along the same lines as any other type of work...it doesnt mean its a quota system. Apart from TAC breath testing done by vicpol I'm not aware nor has any ebidence been shown to me, that a quota on speeding or traffic violations takes place. Happy to accept otherwise.
What we do have is police force mrmbers throughout the country trying to stop death and injury...an attitude missed by many.
Miroku, that would be rare imo. Cops trying to provoke arguements. The 1% bad guys are in every profession.
I just believe we should stand behind our police members more than pointing the finger.
Absolutely.
Aussie Paul.
Desert Dweller said
02:00 PM Jan 11, 2019
After reading all this BS go back to our post & find where we mention police & quotas. We don't.
Whenarewethere said
02:28 PM Jan 11, 2019
As I said earlier advertising on a new road rule would not go astray & it would be to the benefit of both, emergency workers & the public.
More so as good as this rule is it does create a secondary very dangerous situation. Workcover would come down like a tonnes of bricks with this sort of OHS policy.
Eaglemax said
03:09 PM Jan 11, 2019
Desert Dweller wrote:
After reading all this BS go back to our post & find where we mention police & quotas. We don't.
By Whenarewethere 10/1/19 6:01pm-----
I have had the same experience. They are trying to fill quotas so they have to provoke to generate revenue for the government."
The Travelling Dillberries said
04:46 PM Jan 11, 2019
rockylizard wrote:
Bagmaker wrote:
Eaglemax wrote:
-snip
I've noticed in the last 10 years drivers breaking basic road rules. In Euroa for example in the main shopping street there was one continuous white line up the centre of the street. Many years ago the Vic Govt made it law that you cannot cross it but they did to grab an angle park on the opposite side. So they painted double lines. Everyone knows you should not cross double lines but they do, in fact about every 2-3 minutes it happens.
I think there is a case for more education. snip-
I think you can cross double lines (in some states) "if you are leaving the carriageway" but I stand to be corrected
Gday...
A driver is permitted to cross a continuous single line or continuous double lines only when entering or leaving a driveway -
Single continuous line
Crossing a single continuous line
You can cross a single continuous centre line to enter or leave a road, including entering or leaving a property, and to safely pass bicycle riders.
You cannot cross a single continuous centre line to overtake or do a U-turn.
Single continuous centre line left of a broken line
Crossing a single continuous line left of a broken line
You can enter or leave a property or road by crossing a single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line. You can also cross the line to pass a bicycle rider, provided it is safe to do so.
If you are on the same side of the road as the continuous line you cannot cross the line to overtake or do a U-turn.
I understand this is applicable in all states - one of the very rare occasions when there is uniformity in road rules.
Cheers - John
Just to clarify so no one gets caught out, the rules are different in QLD (compared to NSW). Can't cross double centre lines (in QLD) except for when passing a bicycle rider.
First hand experience cost me $200.
Eaglemax said
05:38 PM Jan 11, 2019
thanks Chris
iana said
05:42 PM Jan 11, 2019
Hmmm, if you pass a bicycle, aren't you over-taking it?
In WA drivers don't know what a solid white line is!
TheHeaths said
08:13 PM Jan 11, 2019
Gee. I must be one of the luckiest people on the forum.
My experience, over the 46 years I have driven, when stopped by Police on a number of occasions, has been completely different. No provocation, no smart arse comments, just a professional and business like approach. I have answered questions reasonably, not argued the point when caught doing something against the law, and have experienced nothing but respect in return. Perhaps I was lucky and they already had their quotas for the day!
Craig1 said
08:24 PM Jan 11, 2019
Still, it would appear to be LAW, so hit your emergency flashers, repeatedly hit the brake pedal and hope for the best. If in the BARB Wire Rope State of Victoria, double hope for the best, because there is no escape to the side of the road.
Eaglemax said
09:42 PM Jan 11, 2019
Where's DD? Eating words?
Warren-Pat_01 said
10:05 PM Jan 11, 2019
Possum,
You may be correct in saying that the police do not have quotas & are not revenue raising - in NSW.
However in Qld, while I'd hate to be a copper, in a lot of cases they hide in the bush, behind a pole, etc with a camera, have a camera vehicle with A NOTICE AT THE FRONT - while mostly we approach them from the rear.
Yesterday as we were heading south of the Qld border, we saw a police car with its lights flashing for an unknown reason so I slowed to 40kph as I passed it. Today we saw a PC with its lights on with a car pulled up on the other side of the road but I didn't slow to the 40kph. Not knowing much about the law other than what I've read here, I looking it up in a Mudgee newspaper -
"The new rule applies to all roads in New South Wales and vehicles travelling in both directions, unless the road is divided by a median strip.
However if an emergency vehicle was on a median strip, drivers heading in both directions would need to reduce speed to 40 km/h.
Emergency services motorists need to slow down for include Police, Ambulance Services, Fire & Rescue, SES, Rural Fire Service, Volunteer Rescue, Transport Emergency Response and, RMS and Traffic Management vehicles".
I assume it is the same in SA & VIC - will follow it up with the "Useless 3" state pollies we have back home.
John (rockylizard) - the other area where you can cross unbroken dividing lines is if you are passing a bicycle - safely. We have bike riders out on the Flinders Highway & Port Access Road often riding two (or more) abreast on narrow highways where lots of other cars, B-doubles, road trains operate. Talk about dangerous - especially if you're doing the speed limit, approaching bikes & a semi is coming!
Whenarewethere said
04:24 AM Jan 12, 2019
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
I assume it is the same in SA & VIC - will follow it up with the "Useless 3" state pollies we have back home.
One would think we are living on different planets with different road rules.
A bit like Australia having an economy so large (NOT) that we can waste money having different railway gauges in each state!
Maybe NSW should change to driving on the right hand side of the road, that would help clarify they we have different road rules!
Micka said
01:10 PM Jan 12, 2019
The Travelling Dillberries wrote:
rockylizard wrote:
Bagmaker wrote:
Eaglemax wrote:
-snip
I've noticed in the last 10 years drivers breaking basic road rules. In Euroa for example in the main shopping street there was one continuous white line up the centre of the street. Many years ago the Vic Govt made it law that you cannot cross it but they did to grab an angle park on the opposite side. So they painted double lines. Everyone knows you should not cross double lines but they do, in fact about every 2-3 minutes it happens.
I think there is a case for more education. snip-
I think you can cross double lines (in some states) "if you are leaving the carriageway" but I stand to be corrected
Gday...
A driver is permitted to cross a continuous single line or continuous double lines only when entering or leaving a driveway -
Single continuous line
Crossing a single continuous line
You can cross a single continuous centre line to enter or leave a road, including entering or leaving a property, and to safely pass bicycle riders.
You cannot cross a single continuous centre line to overtake or do a U-turn.
Single continuous centre line left of a broken line
Crossing a single continuous line left of a broken line
You can enter or leave a property or road by crossing a single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line. You can also cross the line to pass a bicycle rider, provided it is safe to do so.
If you are on the same side of the road as the continuous line you cannot cross the line to overtake or do a U-turn.
I understand this is applicable in all states - one of the very rare occasions when there is uniformity in road rules.
Cheers - John
Just to clarify so no one gets caught out, the rules are different in QLD (compared to NSW). Can't cross double centre lines (in QLD) except for when passing a bicycle rider.
First hand experience cost me $200.
Yes , we have some drivers who completely ignore basic road rules be it related to road works or double white lines, I have attached a link to my dash cam video taken last weekend where a Vic reg car done just that. NOTE : 3 people died in this region on our roads last weekend .
Check it out on youtube, https://youtu.be/Nq4LM0K6nuI.
Whenarewethere said
01:55 PM Jan 12, 2019
Disclaimer: I do the odd poll for Getup & a few others, door to door poll political knocking! But this straw poll saw simply for my own self interest.
Just did a straw poll in Manly of 100 people who drive in Australia. Asked do you drive in Australia? Are you aware of any new road rules? Do you know what to do if police or emergency lights are flashing.
2 people were aware, but they had both lived in America & were aware of the similar rules introduced in Australia, but had to think quite hard, so it was a good reminder for them.
98% did not know to any stretch of the imagination of this new rule. At least 98 people now know of this new rule & 2 have had their memory jogged!
My conclusion, the Government making the public aware & or people doing their own annual update of new laws in Australia is a 100% failure.
Eaglemax said
01:57 PM Jan 12, 2019
There is no excuse for such driving.
A few years ago in Melboirne a car was weaving. I drove alongside to see her using both hands to eat a pastie, then one hand used to squeeze the sauce!. Presumably driving with her knees on busy Springvale road.
Why has driver standards dropped?
blaze said
04:50 AM Jan 13, 2019
Eaglemax wrote:
There is no excuse for such driving.
A few years ago in Melboirne a car was weaving. I drove alongside to see her using both hands to eat a pastie, then one hand used to squeeze the sauce!. Presumably driving with her knees on busy Springvale road.
Why has driver standards dropped?
I don't think standard have dropped. lot more cars on the road now than 50 years ago. I remember thinks we commonly did years ago would now get ya a jail sentence. People riding around in the back of a ute, 10 people packed in a small car, the list goes on, Seems to me that so many people forget their past infraction when commenting, me I had lots but with a lot of luck I am still alive today
cheers
blaze
Stretch60 said
10:50 PM Jan 13, 2019
just retired from 33years dealing with all the sewage of society. All I will say is, try walking in a police officer's shoes some day. Not everyone has the stomach for it but I am proud to have been one of the good guys looking out for the rest of you.
Stretch60 said
10:53 PM Jan 13, 2019
And over the last few days driving north on the hume through three different states , the message boards were displaying the 40 KMH law. cheers stretch
-- Edited by Stretch60 on Sunday 13th of January 2019 10:54:22 PM
Phillipn said
12:12 AM Jan 14, 2019
Stretch60 wrote:
And over the last few days driving north on the hume through three different states , the message boards were displaying the 40 KMH law. cheers stretch
-- Edited by Stretch60 on Sunday 13th of January 2019 10:54:22 PM
The Hume Highway, Is their a new state along the Hume? I think my google maps need to be updated.
-- Edited by Phillipn on Monday 14th of January 2019 12:19:08 AM
Eaglemax said
10:56 AM Jan 14, 2019
Stretch60 wrote:
just retired from 33years dealing with all the sewage of society. All I will say is, try walking in a police officer's shoes some day. Not everyone has the stomach for it but I am proud to have been one of the good guys looking out for the rest of you.
Exactly. And for the record I thank you for your service. Enjoy your retirement.
Eaglemax said
11:01 AM Jan 14, 2019
blaze wrote:
Eaglemax wrote:
There is no excuse for such driving.
A few years ago in Melboirne a car was weaving. I drove alongside to see her using both hands to eat a pastie, then one hand used to squeeze the sauce!. Presumably driving with her knees on busy Springvale road.
Why has driver standards dropped?
I don't think standard have dropped. lot more cars on the road now than 50 years ago. I remember thinks we commonly did years ago would now get ya a jail sentence. People riding around in the back of a ute, 10 people packed in a small car, the list goes on, Seems to me that so many people forget their past infraction when commenting, me I had lots but with a lot of luck I am still alive today
cheers
blaze
Well I didn't ride in the back of utes. I also didn't eat food with both hands and drive using my knees. "Seems to me that so many people forget their past infraction when commenting.." you say. seems to me there is a lot of assumption going on here when commenting...
rockylizard said
11:38 AM Jan 14, 2019
Eaglemax wrote:
SNIP~~~ seems to me there is a lot of assumption going on here when commenting...
Gday...
GO ON ... GIT OUT WIF YA ...
This is a forum, Tony, the only way to comment is with lots of assumption.
Read any post.
Cheers - John
Eaglemax said
02:20 PM Jan 14, 2019
Bit grumpy RL
Eaglemax said
02:32 PM Jan 14, 2019
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
The main problem with abiding by the rule is that when a police officer pulls a vehicle over for whatever infringement, they should either 'escort' the vehicle to an 'accessible' area on the roadside that allows the police officer to be both safe to move about while booking the driver and a fair distance of visibility for vehicular traffic on that piece of roadway.
The problem is exacerbated by the offender's and police officer's vehicles when they are still quite close to the road merge when stopped and traffic has limited time to react to the flashing 'emergency lights'.
The rule is a sensible rule (not sure about SAs 25kph though) to protect not only the police officers, but also the offender, from some clown running into them at 110kph - or whatever the speed limit is on the particular piece of road. Obviously, by corollary, and it applies to the safety of all other vehicles on the road at that time.
Solution? Dunno. Praps some education/awareness training of police personnel to be aware of their surroundings and to make "every effort" to ensure the safety of not only themselves but also the traffic on that road.
It isn't a realistic solution ... but ALL drivers should remain alert and aware of their surroundings and always drive at a speed and in a way that ensures their safety and the safety of others - will only occur when there are flocks of flying pigs.
Jest sayin'
Cheers - John
So when you were a policeman were you warned to stop a good distamce from a highway?
rockylizard said
08:01 PM Jan 14, 2019
Eaglemax wrote:
Bit grumpy RL
Gday...
STRUTH mate Doncha know wot these liddle things are
Cheers - John
rockylizard said
08:03 PM Jan 14, 2019
Eaglemax wrote:
So when you were a policeman were you warned to stop a good distance from a highway?
Gday...
I am beginning to worry about ya Tony.
You have gone off on such a tangent now - I am completely lost.
Cheers - John
Eaglemax said
08:27 PM Jan 14, 2019
Too small for me to see RL
Humble apologies. I like lizards..
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 14th of January 2019 08:28:13 PM
blaze said
11:19 PM Jan 14, 2019
The coaster I just brought has a big geko mosaic on the engine cover, so I must like lizards to. Did I mentionit also has some fairies. Reckon I might start do tarot readings, any one up for customer number one. dam off topic
cheers
blaze
Eaglemax said
06:35 AM Jan 15, 2019
My sister does tarot readings at shows. No money in it.
My.Isa has a psychic expo every two years. Check that out Blaze.
LUCKY LOZ said
10:17 PM Jan 15, 2019
have seen both, Really good coppers and also bad aggressive ones .
not much you can do about it IMHO
Be respectful and compliment them on the good job they do.
There is a song >>I fought the law and the law won.
But they do a hard job and should also be professional
Get it all on camera,.
Absolutely.
Aussie Paul.
As I said earlier advertising on a new road rule would not go astray & it would be to the benefit of both, emergency workers & the public.
More so as good as this rule is it does create a secondary very dangerous situation. Workcover would come down like a tonnes of bricks with this sort of OHS policy.
By Whenarewethere 10/1/19 6:01pm-----
I have had the same experience. They are trying to fill quotas so they have to provoke to generate revenue for the government."
In WA drivers don't know what a solid white line is!
My experience, over the 46 years I have driven, when stopped by Police on a number of occasions, has been completely different. No provocation, no smart arse comments, just a professional and business like approach. I have answered questions reasonably, not argued the point when caught doing something against the law, and have experienced nothing but respect in return. Perhaps I was lucky and they already had their quotas for the day!
Where's DD? Eating words?
You may be correct in saying that the police do not have quotas & are not revenue raising - in NSW.
However in Qld, while I'd hate to be a copper, in a lot of cases they hide in the bush, behind a pole, etc with a camera, have a camera vehicle with A NOTICE AT THE FRONT - while mostly we approach them from the rear.
Yesterday as we were heading south of the Qld border, we saw a police car with its lights flashing for an unknown reason so I slowed to 40kph as I passed it. Today we saw a PC with its lights on with a car pulled up on the other side of the road but I didn't slow to the 40kph. Not knowing much about the law other than what I've read here, I looking it up in a Mudgee newspaper -
"The new rule applies to all roads in New South Wales and vehicles travelling in both directions, unless the road is divided by a median strip.
However if an emergency vehicle was on a median strip, drivers heading in both directions would need to reduce speed to 40 km/h.
Emergency services motorists need to slow down for include Police, Ambulance Services, Fire & Rescue, SES, Rural Fire Service, Volunteer Rescue, Transport Emergency Response and, RMS and Traffic Management vehicles".
I assume it is the same in SA & VIC - will follow it up with the "Useless 3" state pollies we have back home.
John (rockylizard) - the other area where you can cross unbroken dividing lines is if you are passing a bicycle - safely. We have bike riders out on the Flinders Highway & Port Access Road often riding two (or more) abreast on narrow highways where lots of other cars, B-doubles, road trains operate. Talk about dangerous - especially if you're doing the speed limit, approaching bikes & a semi is coming!
One would think we are living on different planets with different road rules.
A bit like Australia having an economy so large (NOT) that we can waste money having different railway gauges in each state!
Maybe NSW should change to driving on the right hand side of the road, that would help clarify they we have different road rules!
Disclaimer: I do the odd poll for Getup & a few others, door to door poll political knocking! But this straw poll saw simply for my own self interest.
Just did a straw poll in Manly of 100 people who drive in Australia. Asked do you drive in Australia? Are you aware of any new road rules? Do you know what to do if police or emergency lights are flashing.
2 people were aware, but they had both lived in America & were aware of the similar rules introduced in Australia, but had to think quite hard, so it was a good reminder for them.
98% did not know to any stretch of the imagination of this new rule. At least 98 people now know of this new rule & 2 have had their memory jogged!
My conclusion, the Government making the public aware & or people doing their own annual update of new laws in Australia is a 100% failure.
There is no excuse for such driving.
A few years ago in Melboirne a car was weaving. I drove alongside to see her using both hands to eat a pastie, then one hand used to squeeze the sauce!. Presumably driving with her knees on busy Springvale road.
Why has driver standards dropped?
I don't think standard have dropped. lot more cars on the road now than 50 years ago. I remember thinks we commonly did years ago would now get ya a jail sentence. People riding around in the back of a ute, 10 people packed in a small car, the list goes on, Seems to me that so many people forget their past infraction when commenting, me I had lots but with a lot of luck I am still alive today
cheers
blaze
just retired from 33years dealing with all the sewage of society. All I will say is, try walking in a police officer's shoes some day. Not everyone has the stomach for it but I am proud to have been one of the good guys looking out for the rest of you.
And over the last few days driving north on the hume through three different states , the message boards were displaying the 40 KMH law.
cheers
stretch
-- Edited by Stretch60 on Sunday 13th of January 2019 10:54:22 PM
The Hume Highway, Is their a new state along the Hume? I think my google maps need to be updated.
-- Edited by Phillipn on Monday 14th of January 2019 12:19:08 AM
Exactly. And for the record I thank you for your service. Enjoy your retirement.
Well I didn't ride in the back of utes. I also didn't eat food with both hands and drive using my knees. "Seems to me that so many people forget their past infraction when commenting.." you say. seems to me there is a lot of assumption going on here when commenting...
Gday...
GO ON ... GIT OUT WIF YA
...
This is a forum, Tony, the only way to comment is with lots of assumption.
Read any post.
Cheers - John
So when you were a policeman were you warned to stop a good distamce from a highway?
Gday...
STRUTH mate
Doncha know wot these liddle things are 
Cheers - John
Gday...
You have gone off on such a tangent now - I am completely lost.
Cheers - John
Too small for me to see RL
Humble apologies. I like lizards..
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Monday 14th of January 2019 08:28:13 PM
cheers
blaze
My.Isa has a psychic expo every two years. Check that out Blaze.
not much you can do about it IMHO
Be respectful and compliment them on the good job they do.
There is a song >>I fought the law and the law won.
But they do a hard job and should also be professional
Get it all on camera,.