My two cents The dog places a lot of restrictions on how you camp,we dont need those restrictions,if your a lone traveller thats different,all the hassle becomes worth while,as mans best friend would be a great travelling companion ....
The restrictions on a lone traveller are even more severe, because of leaving animals alone in vehicles.
Cheers,
Peter
Mike Harding said
07:48 PM May 28, 2018
Peter_n_Margaret wrote: The restrictions on a lone traveller are even more severe, because of leaving animals alone in vehicles.
I know well that the internal temperature of a parked car in sun can reach something like 60C in 10 minutes or so on a 30C+ day but I had assumed a caravan would have a much longer time constant because of its significantly greater volume - am I correct?
I hadn't thought this one through (hence this thread) but I kind of assumed one could leave a dog in a caravan for, say, 30 minutes on such a day?
Dickodownunder said
08:16 PM May 28, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote: The restrictions on a lone traveller are even more severe, because of leaving animals alone in vehicles.
I know well that the internal temperature of a parked car in sun can reach something like 60C in 10 minutes or so on a 30C+ day but I had assumed a caravan would have a much longer time constant because of its significantly greater volume - am I correct?
I hadn't thought this one through (hence this thread) but I kind of assumed one could leave a dog in a caravan for, say, 30 minutes on such a day?
Mike Harding,
if you are contemplating leaving a dog or any animal in a locked caravan for any length of time then do the animal a favour and dont take them with you.
Mike Harding said
08:32 PM May 28, 2018
Dickodownunder wrote: Mike Harding,
if you are contemplating leaving a dog or any animal in a locked caravan for any length of time then do the animal a favour and dont take them with you.
Oh dear.
No, I'm not thinking of leaving a dog in a locked caravan for "any length of time".
But, I assume, they would be fine whilst one fills up with petrol? Or stops to look at a noticeboard? Or go to toilet?
I'm simply trying to get an idea of the time it takes a caravan to heat up. Is it one second? Five seconds? Two minutes? Five minutes? Four days?
Don't jump down my throat mate.
Blues Man said
08:17 AM May 29, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Dickodownunder wrote: Mike Harding,
if you are contemplating leaving a dog or any animal in a locked caravan for any length of time then do the animal a favour and dont take them with you.
Oh dear.
No, I'm not thinking of leaving a dog in a locked caravan for "any length of time".
But, I assume, they would be fine whilst one fills up with petrol? Or stops to look at a noticeboard? Or go to toilet?
I'm simply trying to get an idea of the time it takes a caravan to heat up. Is it one second? Five seconds? Two minutes? Five minutes? Four days?
Don't jump down my throat mate.
Mike ,sometimes i have left my cattle dog in the M/H for about 30 min with a few windows open and plenty of water.
Every situation is different , the times that she has been left , it has been reasonably cool .
My rule of thumb is ---- if i can reasonably stand the heat then she can also.
Just remember every situation IS different............. I shall now wait for the bombs to fly..
Dickodownunder said
08:33 AM May 29, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Dickodownunder wrote: Mike Harding,
if you are contemplating leaving a dog or any animal in a locked caravan for any length of time then do the animal a favour and dont take them with you.
Oh dear.
No, I'm not thinking of leaving a dog in a locked caravan for "any length of time".
But, I assume, they would be fine whilst one fills up with petrol? Or stops to look at a noticeboard? Or go to toilet?
I'm simply trying to get an idea of the time it takes a caravan to heat up. Is it one second? Five seconds? Two minutes? Five minutes? Four days?
Don't jump down my throat mate.
I am really sorry I spoke Mike Harding.
A van that has been travelling during summer is already extremely hot inside when you stop.
You may not appreciate that when anyone in authority sees a animal locked in a vehicle then they can break into that vehicle to comfort the animal.
Would you lock your child in a parked vehicle for as you state...30 minutes??
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 08:48:14 AM
SouthernComfort said
09:30 AM May 29, 2018
Mike's question is perfectly reasonable, I don't believe he asked about leaving it locked in a vehicle.
The best way to manage it is the same as you would for a human. If you need to stop on a hot day, park the van in the shade if possible, open plenty of windows, flick on your 12v fans if you have them (fit them if not), put water down. We probably wouldn't leave our girl longer than 15 mins or so in those conditions without checking on her, and likely not at all if over 30c ambient, even though the van may be comfortable enough inside. It doesn't heat up as quickly as the more confined space in the car. For longer stops (shopping etc), in hot weather do it early am or after sundown when your buddy can be left a little longer.
The whole thing is less of an issue for us as we're not heat freaks, we plan trips (locations/seasons) to get more comfortable temps and as little humidity as possible (having lived in Europe, 20-25c is perfection!). Entirely doable if you know where to go and how to avoid even Vic's 35-40c summer temps. North in mid winter only, if at all. If it was easier to get a van across the creek, we'd spend more summer time in Tassie.
Mike Harding said
10:02 AM May 29, 2018
Dickodownunder: Will you please stop twisting and distorting what I say in order that you can score a cheap debating point by knocking down an argument I didn't make but which you now attribute to me.
Blues Man: Thank you for your sensible answer.
Tony: Again, thanks for a sensible answer.
Those are the sorts of times I was expecting. As Tony says, it very much depends upon the weather conditions and the initial temperature of the van.
Like Tony, I'm not a heat follower and expect to be spending most of my time in Victoria where, in the winter in much of the state, the issue is not overheating but keeping warm enough :)
Noelpolar said
10:20 AM May 29, 2018
We are travellng with two small dogs..... and use common sense (as you seem to have).... no trouble leaving them for short periods in reasonable temperatures as people have stated. You get good at finding shady spots etc. Have found lots of eating places have outside spots where the dog can join you.... lots of parks allow them outside of peak period. Best to keep their diet exactly consistent with home, regulary wee/poo times etc.
One does just have to accept no national parks.... and maybe the odd time you might need to spend $25 a day to kennel them if you want to do something that precludes them (most country vets will do this for a fee) . Travelling in cooler regions makes things easier of course.... generally.... if alone I'd rather a dog companion than most people!
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:21:40 AM
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:22:51 AM
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:26:57 AM
Santa said
10:20 AM May 29, 2018
Why is it that these threads always seem to deviate into an off topic slanging match.
It's simply unnecessary.
Santa said
10:26 AM May 29, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Dickodownunder: Will you please stop twisting and distorting what I say in order that you can score a cheap debating point by knocking down an argument I didn't make but which you now attribute to me.
Blues Man: Thank you for your sensible answer.
Tony: Again, thanks for a sensible answer.
Those are the sorts of times I was expecting. As Tony says, it very much depends upon the weather conditions and the initial temperature of the van.
Like Tony, I'm not a heat follower and expect to be spending most of my time in Victoria where, in the winter in much of the state, the issue is not overheating but keeping warm enough :)
Mike, I try not to respond to posts that are designed to get a rise out of you, nothing takes the wind out of their sails faster than to spend time composing a post only to have it completely ignored, they get the message pretty quick.
Dickodownunder said
10:56 AM May 29, 2018
Santa I only suggested that if he intended leaving a dog in a vehicle for 30 mins then it may be kinder to the animal not to take it.
There is nothing worse or upsetting than listening to a howling dog when it is obviously stressed and locked in a vehicle.
Apart from the heat, animals can and do stress in these situations.
I am a dog person and from my observations when a dog has a problem it is inevitably caused by the owner..
Maybe if Mike Harding and others for that matter realised what the general public observe when it comes to dog owners handling or
mishandling their dogs then he and others may ensure that they are not putting their animals in that situation.
I dont need or expect a reply...
Mike Harding said
11:44 AM May 29, 2018
(Noelpolar) >generally.... if alone I'd rather a dog companion than most people!
Ain't that the truth! :)
Thank you for a helpful first post and welcome to the forum.
(Santa) >Mike, I try not to respond to posts that are designed to get a rise out of you,
You are quite correct, of course. Tolerance and patience; just two of the many positive character traits I have failed to properly learn in this lifetime... maybe next time around?
Santa said
11:54 AM May 29, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
(Santa) >Mike, I try not to respond to posts that are designed to get a rise out of you,
You are quite correct, of course. Tolerance and patience; just two of the many positive character traits I have failed to properly learn in this lifetime... maybe next time around?
I reckon your doing pretty well in the diplomacy stakes Mike.
Kisha said
12:17 PM May 29, 2018
Mike Harding, I think the mutt will be worth it. Enjoy life out their together........Kisha.
blaze said
02:53 PM May 29, 2018
just get a dog
cheers
blaze
montie said
07:44 PM May 29, 2018
You get a dog....you make a commitment.
The dog is part of the family...it goes where you go.
It will offer you unconditional loyalty and love and deserves the same in return.
If you can't accept that don't get a dog.
Mike Harding said
08:31 PM May 29, 2018
montie wrote:
You get a dog....you make a commitment. The dog is part of the family...it goes where you go. It will offer you unconditional loyalty and love and deserves the same in return. If you can't accept that don't get a dog.
I agree totally.
It's like getting married again! Scary! :)
Eaglemax said
12:25 PM May 30, 2018
There are many options to be flexible owning a dog and travelling. Shopping early or late is one. Supermarkets are open late now when its cool.
I think you'll get a dog Mike. Nothing better around a camp fire with an ale and doggy on your lap...
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Wednesday 30th of May 2018 12:30:54 PM
A Cavoodle would probably be a good choice for a traveling companion, not too large, good temperament, and a big bonus, I'm led to believe they don't shed a lot.
Let's know what you finally do.
KJB said
01:15 PM May 30, 2018
Or a miniature foxy - cheap ,durable ,maintainance free and an alert and intelligent mate. (small ,short haired, no wrinkles , tough)
KB
Mike Harding said
01:32 PM May 30, 2018
Eaglemax: >I think you'll get a dog Mike.
Yep, I think I will too :) I don't want to spend the rest of my life without one.
Your little chap's a beaut, how old is he?
----
Santa: >A Cavoodle would probably be a good choice
I think so; the intelligence of the poodle combined with the wonderful loving and fun nature of the Cavalier King Charles could be a good combination and the lack of shedding or need for excessive grooming will be good too.
We had a Cav. as a family dog for some years, she ended up with me after the divorce and it broke my heart when I had her put to sleep, just old age.
>Let's know what you finally do
I shall.
It'll be a few months before I get rid of most possessions and sell the house and take to the road. This, obviously, will be a massive change for me and will take some time to acclimatise to so I won't get a dog until I have been nomad for at least six months and have found some kind of stability but I am looking forward to it :)
Many thanks to all who have responded to this thread your replies have indicated to me that it's only National Parks which are a real issue and on those occasions when a NP is a must there are ways around it.
Hylife wrote:Not sure why you bothered to ask the question, when you pointed it so.
Predominantly to discourage responses such as yours.
With 20 thoughtful and helpful replies and one not so it seems to have worked.
But you only got the biased replies that you WANTED to see, not the ones that you NEEDED to see.
It is like asking steak lovers if red meat is good for you. Of course everyone will say yes.
If you only seek answers from dog lovers who take their animals on holidays, then of course everyone will tell you to take your dog on holidays, but that is NOT a balanced viewpoint.
Santa said
03:00 PM May 30, 2018
Give it a rest mate.
Blues Man said
03:02 PM May 30, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
Eaglemax: >I think you'll get a dog Mike.
Yep, I think I will too :) I don't want to spend the rest of my life without one.
Your little chap's a beaut, how old is he?
----
Santa: >A Cavoodle would probably be a good choice
I think so; the intelligence of the poodle combined with the wonderful loving and fun nature of the Cavalier King Charles could be a good combination and the lack of shedding or need for excessive grooming will be good too.
We had a Cav. as a family dog for some years, she ended up with me after the divorce and it broke my heart when I had her put to sleep, just old age.
>Let's know what you finally do
I shall.
It'll be a few months before I get rid of most possessions and sell the house and take to the road. This, obviously, will be a massive change for me and will take some time to acclimatise to so I won't get a dog until I have been nomad for at least six months and have found some kind of stability but I am looking forward to it :)
Many thanks to all who have responded to this thread your replies have indicated to me that it's only National Parks which are a real issue and on those occasions when a NP is a must there are ways around it.
----
KJB: >Or a miniature foxy
Thanks for that suggestion, I'll take a look
Good grief i hope that poor little dog isn't locked up in that car.
Santa said
03:07 PM May 30, 2018
Time to let this thread die a natural death I think, the original question have been pretty well covered, now the silliness begins.
Blues Man said
03:10 PM May 30, 2018
Yeah Santa ,you won me .
Eaglemax said
04:28 PM May 30, 2018
Mike, our dog is a pure breed mini foxy. 7 years old
Benefits- good watch dog, affectionate, no fleas, no brushing needed, clean, no strong dog odour, never bites humans, loves kids and oldies
Cons- sheds needle hair a little, fragile legs, barks a bit much, takes up bed space lol.
If something happened to her we'd get another and a Pappilon.
RosieW said
03:21 PM Jun 6, 2018
We've got 3 and a bird. They are restrictive (national parks, can't got to WA with the bird), but worth it. We don't have a home base at all.
We board the dogs if we have to go away, or send them to doggy daycare in towns that have it on grocery days. Vets will often 'babysit' dogs for a small fee.
Train your dog, pick up after them, keep them on leash (for their safety as well as others) and just enjoy it. We often say ours are painful (they are) but they have enriched our lives so much, they are worth it.
The restrictions on a lone traveller are even more severe, because of leaving animals alone in vehicles.
Cheers,
Peter
I know well that the internal temperature of a parked car in sun can reach something like 60C in 10 minutes or so on a 30C+ day but I had assumed a caravan would have a much longer time constant because of its significantly greater volume - am I correct?
I hadn't thought this one through (hence this thread) but I kind of assumed one could leave a dog in a caravan for, say, 30 minutes on such a day?
Mike Harding,
if you are contemplating leaving a dog or any animal in a locked caravan for any length of time then do the animal a favour and dont take them with you.
Oh dear.
No, I'm not thinking of leaving a dog in a locked caravan for "any length of time".
But, I assume, they would be fine whilst one fills up with petrol? Or stops to look at a noticeboard? Or go to toilet?
I'm simply trying to get an idea of the time it takes a caravan to heat up. Is it one second? Five seconds? Two minutes? Five minutes? Four days?
Don't jump down my throat mate.
Mike ,sometimes i have left my cattle dog in the M/H for about 30 min with a few windows open and plenty of water.
Every situation is different , the times that she has been left , it has been reasonably cool .
My rule of thumb is ---- if i can reasonably stand the heat then she can also.
Just remember every situation IS different............. I shall now wait for the bombs to fly..
I am really sorry I spoke Mike Harding.
A van that has been travelling during summer is already extremely hot inside when you stop.
You may not appreciate that when anyone in authority sees a animal locked in a vehicle then they can break into that vehicle to comfort the animal.
Would you lock your child in a parked vehicle for as you state...30 minutes??
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 08:48:14 AM
The best way to manage it is the same as you would for a human. If you need to stop on a hot day, park the van in the shade if possible, open plenty of windows, flick on your 12v fans if you have them (fit them if not), put water down. We probably wouldn't leave our girl longer than 15 mins or so in those conditions without checking on her, and likely not at all if over 30c ambient, even though the van may be comfortable enough inside. It doesn't heat up as quickly as the more confined space in the car. For longer stops (shopping etc), in hot weather do it early am or after sundown when your buddy can be left a little longer.
The whole thing is less of an issue for us as we're not heat freaks, we plan trips (locations/seasons) to get more comfortable temps and as little humidity as possible (having lived in Europe, 20-25c is perfection!). Entirely doable if you know where to go and how to avoid even Vic's 35-40c summer temps. North in mid winter only, if at all. If it was easier to get a van across the creek, we'd spend more summer time in Tassie.
Dickodownunder:
Will you please stop twisting and distorting what I say in order that
you can score a cheap debating point by knocking down an argument I
didn't make but which you now attribute to me.
Blues Man:
Thank you for your sensible answer.
Tony:
Again, thanks for a sensible answer.
Those are the sorts of times I was expecting. As Tony says, it very
much depends upon the weather conditions and the initial temperature
of the van.
Like Tony, I'm not a heat follower and expect to be spending most of
my time in Victoria where, in the winter in much of the state, the
issue is not overheating but keeping warm enough :)
We are travellng with two small dogs..... and use common sense (as you seem to have).... no trouble leaving them for short periods in reasonable temperatures as people have stated. You get good at finding shady spots etc. Have found lots of eating places have outside spots where the dog can join you.... lots of parks allow them outside of peak period. Best to keep their diet exactly consistent with home, regulary wee/poo times etc.
One does just have to accept no national parks.... and maybe the odd time you might need to spend $25 a day to kennel them if you want to do something that precludes them (most country vets will do this for a fee) . Travelling in cooler regions makes things easier of course.... generally.... if alone I'd rather a dog companion than most people!
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:21:40 AM
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:22:51 AM
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Tuesday 29th of May 2018 10:26:57 AM
Why is it that these threads always seem to deviate into an off topic slanging match.
It's simply unnecessary.
Mike, I try not to respond to posts that are designed to get a rise out of you, nothing takes the wind out of their sails faster than to spend time composing a post only to have it completely ignored, they get the message pretty quick.
There is nothing worse or upsetting than listening to a howling dog when it is obviously stressed and locked in a vehicle.
Apart from the heat, animals can and do stress in these situations.
I am a dog person and from my observations when a dog has a problem it is inevitably caused by the owner..
Maybe if Mike Harding and others for that matter realised what the general public observe when it comes to dog owners handling or
mishandling their dogs then he and others may ensure that they are not putting their animals in that situation.
I dont need or expect a reply...
(Noelpolar)
>generally.... if alone I'd rather a dog companion than most people!
Ain't that the truth! :)
Thank you for a helpful first post and welcome to the forum.
(Santa)
>Mike, I try not to respond to posts that are designed to get a rise out of you,
You are quite correct, of course. Tolerance and patience; just two of
the many positive character traits I have failed to properly learn in
this lifetime... maybe next time around?
I reckon your doing pretty well in the diplomacy stakes Mike.
Mike Harding, I think the mutt will be worth it. Enjoy life out their together........Kisha.
cheers
blaze
The dog is part of the family...it goes where you go.
It will offer you unconditional loyalty and love and deserves the same in return.
If you can't accept that don't get a dog.
I agree totally.
It's like getting married again! Scary! :)
There are many options to be flexible owning a dog and travelling. Shopping early or late is one. Supermarkets are open late now when its cool.
I think you'll get a dog Mike. Nothing better around a camp fire with an ale and doggy on your lap...
-- Edited by Eaglemax on Wednesday 30th of May 2018 12:30:54 PM
Back to your original post Mike.
A Cavoodle would probably be a good choice for a traveling companion, not too large, good temperament, and a big bonus, I'm led to believe they don't shed a lot.
Let's know what you finally do.
Or a miniature foxy - cheap ,durable ,maintainance free and an alert and intelligent mate. (small ,short haired, no wrinkles , tough)
KB
Eaglemax:
>I think you'll get a dog Mike.
Yep, I think I will too :) I don't want to spend the rest of my life
without one.
Your little chap's a beaut, how old is he?
----
Santa:
>A Cavoodle would probably be a good choice
I think so; the intelligence of the poodle combined with the
wonderful loving and fun nature of the Cavalier King Charles could be
a good combination and the lack of shedding or need for excessive
grooming will be good too.
We had a Cav. as a family dog for some years, she ended up with me
after the divorce and it broke my heart when I had her put to sleep,
just old age.
>Let's know what you finally do
I shall.
It'll be a few months before I get rid of most possessions and sell
the house and take to the road. This, obviously, will be a massive
change for me and will take some time to acclimatise to so I won't
get a dog until I have been nomad for at least six months and have
found some kind of stability but I am looking forward to it :)
Many thanks to all who have responded to this thread your replies
have indicated to me that it's only National Parks which are a real
issue and on those occasions when a NP is a must there are ways
around it.
----
KJB:
>Or a miniature foxy
Thanks for that suggestion, I'll take a look
But you only got the biased replies that you WANTED to see, not the ones that you NEEDED to see.
It is like asking steak lovers if red meat is good for you. Of course everyone will say yes.
If you only seek answers from dog lovers who take their animals on holidays, then of course everyone will tell you to take your dog on holidays, but that is NOT a balanced viewpoint.
Give it a rest mate.
Good grief i hope that poor little dog isn't locked up in that car.
Time to let this thread die a natural death I think, the original question have been pretty well covered, now the silliness begins.
Yeah Santa ,you won me .
We board the dogs if we have to go away, or send them to doggy daycare in towns that have it on grocery days. Vets will often 'babysit' dogs for a small fee.
Train your dog, pick up after them, keep them on leash (for their safety as well as others) and just enjoy it. We often say ours are painful (they are) but they have enriched our lives so much, they are worth it.