Dickodownunder wrote:

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I have wiki camps but a hard copy in the hands of the co pilot might be handy as well.
Also good if no internet is available when planning the next days travel. 

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 Geoff, that's the way we work. The navigator can use the book when I ask her where the next rest stop is if we are needing a rest/meal stop before our destination. She can handle that better than an electronic device.

Although we keep the latest CAW in the tug we don't bother much with the companion CPAW. We do have an old copy so on the very odd occasion we need to find a park address or phone number. That book does not change as much as CAW. For planning purposes I use Garry Strattons MyParkList. It produces maps with coloured pins (red for dog unfriendly, green for dog friendly.) You simply click on the pins for more info.

Mike Harding wrote:

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Phillipn wrote:

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Mike Harding wrote:

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Wikicamps will destroy most, if not all, of the good free camp sites in the fullness of time.

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I ask, HOW will Wiki camps destroy good free camps?

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The problem is that there are a certain proportion of people who
camp, caravan and such who are lazy, foolish, selfish,
self-indulgent, careless and usually rude.

We all know of these people:
They defecate around camp sites and leave their unburied mess and
toilet paper to blow around.
They throw bottles and cans into firepits.
They leave litter.
They dump stuff that breaks because they "don't need it any more".
They cut down growing trees - even if they are green and won't burn well.
They get drunk and shout and swear loudly at 2am.
Etc....

These people have always been with us and always will be. I suspect
their numbers remain constant across times - in my experience I'd put
them at around 20% of the total population of campers.

In the past, because they are lazy and selfish, they have not put any
effort into finding campsites. When they want to go bush, usually at
holiday times, they just go to the nearest and easiest place and if
that's full (and it has to be *very* full to deter them) they drive a
little further to the next easiest spot.

That was no real problem because the other 80% of us knew where these
people collected and avoided those places like the plague and kept
the location of our good camp sites to ourselves and people of a like
mind.

Certainly there were books (Camps Oz and the like) and websites which
listed better camps but they took effort and/or money to find and the
selfish, lazy people were not about to spend $50+ on a book or join a
forum in the hope of finding good sites for their two or three bush
trips a year - far too much work.

And this is where Wikicamps comes in....

Now, for $5, every d!ckhead in the country has a full database of
many of the best campsites in Australia at his fingertips. He doesn't
have to make the effort we made to find these places he simply
scrolls the screen and there they are.

So instead of most of the d!ickheads congregating in their few camps
which they wantonly destroyed they are now nicely spread out across
many of the good ones so it may take them a little longer but they'll
destroy those just as effectively. We have seen exactly the same
thing happen here in Victoria via Rooftop Maps - stacks of very hard
to find wonderful, remote camp sites on an excellent map for $10 - no
d!ckhead can resist it.

Over the past few months two good sites have been reported closed on
this forum and the consideration was that it happened after they
appeared on Wikicamps.

I ask you: who really thinks it's a good idea to advertise your
treasures to every member of the public?

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 Dicko, if you have that many problems then I suggest you don`t free camp and stay at home.

The things you listed do happen but is the work of the local louts having a big night out. No caused by someone downloading Wiki camps.

I suggest you change your name from dicko to Dickhead.

PeterD wrote:

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Dickodownunder wrote:

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I have wiki camps but a hard copy in the hands of the co pilot might be handy as well.
Also good if no internet is available when planning the next days travel. 

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 Geoff, that's the way we work. The navigator can use the book when I ask her where the next rest stop is if we are needing a rest/meal stop before our destination. She can handle that better than an electronic device.

Although we keep the latest CAW in the tug we don't bother much with the companion CPAW. We do have an old copy so on the very odd occasion we need to find a park address or phone number. That book does not change as much as CAW. For planning purposes I use Garry Strattons MyParkList. It produces maps with coloured pins (red for dog unfriendly, green for dog friendly.) You simply click on the pins for more info.

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 They were my thoughts exactly Peter.

My wife is not good with the internet either so I will get the book mainly for the tug and for her to be able to reference easily any points of interest as required.

Dickodownunder wrote:

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Neither myself Dickodownunder, or the other one, DickO, wrote that rubbish

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 I'm wondering which parts of my post you think are "rubbish"?

Is it:
1 - There are people who have no regard for the bush and damage camps
2 - Such people seek easy to find camps
3 - WikiCamps makes many good sites easy to find
4 - WikiCamps, therefore, encourages bad people to use good camp sites

I think those four points sumarise the post.

I'm sure you will agree that WikiCamps encourages good people to use
sites in its database so I'm perplexed as to why you consider the
concept that it will also encourage bad people to use them to be
"rubbish"?

"YE GODS"  I started this post with a simple note about a cheap Camps book for sale,

Look where it's ended up.......  another slinging match............

"Grow up People"  have a holiday ,,,,,,, and give us all a rest !!!

K.J.

Mike Harding wrote:

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Dickodownunder wrote:

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Neither myself Dickodownunder, or the other one, DickO, wrote that rubbish

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 I'm wondering which parts of my post you think are "rubbish"?

Is it:
1 - There are people who have no regard for the bush and damage camps
2 - Such people seek easy to find camps
3 - WikiCamps makes many good sites easy to find
4 - WikiCamps, therefore, encourages bad people to use good camp sites

I think those four points sumarise the post.

I'm sure you will agree that WikiCamps encourages good people to use
sites in its database so I'm perplexed as to why you consider the
concept that it will also encourage bad people to use them to be
"rubbish"?

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 Mike Harding

personally I think your entire original post was unwarranted and completely off topic... again.

The quotation by you as part of my comment was not directed at you but at Phillipn.

I offer the same advice to you as I offered to him...

cheers