SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
Desert Dweller said
08:29 AM Jan 24, 2017
rockylizard wrote:
Mutley wrote:
SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
Our 2015 Navara sits dead level with a fully loaded tub & 170kg on the ball. No WDH required either. https://www.caravansplus.com.au/catalog/help-tips10.php
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Tuesday 24th of January 2017 08:40:59 AM
Just looking at buying a new tow vehicle and was wondering why most use duel cabs over vehicles like Jeep or Pajero?
Not everyone does.
Some folks want serious off road 4x4 capabilities and good towing but baulk at the idea of having to settle for an overpriced Jeep or Landcruiser
Utes are designed for tray carrying. They are insecure and dusty and utilise old style leaf springs for the load weights, which is why there are a whole raft of more luxurious wagons built from the ute platform.
SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
NO! What I said was the Ute was already dragging its arse with nobody in the thing when hooked up to a caravan with 165kg on the ball. Reading lessons?
Mutley said
09:11 PM Jan 25, 2017
Desert Dweller wrote:
rockylizard wrote:
Mutley wrote:
SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
Our 2015 Navara sits dead level with a fully loaded tub & 170kg on the ball. No WDH required either. https://www.caravansplus.com.au/catalog/help-tips10.php
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Tuesday 24th of January 2017 08:40:59 AM
You see dead level - I see a Ute sagging badly! I own one too, I know what it looks like before you hook up a van - it don't look like that! Mine sits up nice & high at the back, look at that gap between your front tyres & your wheel arches! To me, your Ute looks like its dragging its arse!
rockylizard said
09:21 PM Jan 25, 2017
Mutley wrote:
rockylizard wrote:
Mutley wrote:
SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
NO! What I said was the Ute was already dragging its arse with nobody in the thing when hooked up to a caravan with 165kg on the ball. Reading lessons?
Gday...
Sorry Mutley ... I thought I had correctly read what was typed ... praps I should break it down and see if I can understand it better this time around.
The Navara has stock standard suspension
The Navara was empty, not even a driver in it
The Navara is apparently rated to allow a towball weight of 280Kg when empty
A caravan with a towball weight of 165Kg was then attached to the Navara
and then the Navara was dragging its "arse like a dog with worms".
Does that seem to provide a fair summation of your post?
Now, what did I ask in my post?
Perhaps I should paraphrase a bit - You say you added 165Kg towball weight to the completely empty Navara and it dragged its 'arse like a dog with worms".
I simply then asked that, given the Navara was empty BEFORE you added the van, with its 165Kg towball weight, but instead of attaching the van ... if TWO people (which would equate to approximately 165Kg of weight) then stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms".
So - I do admit I have a penchant for misunderstanding or not comprehending people's comments. However, I thought I had actually quite grasped what you had been trying to impart.
Cheers - John
rockylizard said
09:31 PM Jan 25, 2017
Gday...
Do these pics of Nissan Navaras appear to be 'nice and high at the back' or perhaps just a little bit 'level'?
Just asking coz I am now quite confused by the Navara you seem to have.
Cheers - John
PeterD said
08:25 AM Jan 26, 2017
Hylife wrote:Nissan Navara = NP300 (not sold here yet)
Some education for you.
On 11 June 2014, Nissan unveiled the third generation Navara (now known as the NP300 Navara) and is codenamed D23. It has been on sale in Oz for some years, a mate of mine has had one for a year or so. He is wrapped in its performance, he tows a 2800 kg Future Systems van. He reckons it is more comfortable than his previous R51 Pathfinder.
I have a D40 twin cab. When I purchased it it had the best back seat of the twin cabs then on sale. Most people seem to judge the rear seat room after sitting in a D22 twin cab ( which has 250 mm shorter wheel base, most of that is taken from the rear seat room.)
I chose the twin cab because of the problem of the smell when carrying fuel in station wagon SUVs. I also carry comfortable outdoor furniture (I don't like those umbrella style folding chairs.) I found that furniture difficult to handle in a station wagon (Disco D2.)
Sorry if I am misguided, but loading up the back of any vehicle would also be a factor of increasing the weight on the coupling or hitch weight. It would be the same as loading up the A frame with tool boxes, jerry cans, BBQs etc? If you moved the same weight to the back of the vehicle, even though it is not measured when measuring tow ball weight, you would have to achieve the same thing?
TheHeaths said
07:00 AM Jan 28, 2017
Lancelot,
loading the back of the vehicle loads the rear axle, but not the hitch, as the weight doesn't connect to the car through the hitch.
Loading the A Frame loads up the hitch, as that is the connection point for the additional weight to the car.
Just a small difference but it is different.
Hylife said
08:57 PM Jan 28, 2017
PeterD wrote:
Hylife wrote:Nissan Navara = NP300 (not sold here yet)
Some education for you.
On 11 June 2014, Nissan unveiled the third generation Navara (now known as the NP300 Navara) and is codenamed D23. It has been on sale in Oz for some years, a mate of mine has had one for a year or so. He is wrapped in its performance, he tows a 2800 kg Future Systems van. He reckons it is more comfortable than his previous R51 Pathfinder.
I have a D40 twin cab. When I purchased it it had the best back seat of the twin cabs then on sale. Most people seem to judge the rear seat room after sitting in a D22 twin cab ( which has 250 mm shorter wheel base, most of that is taken from the rear seat room.)
I chose the twin cab because of the problem of the smell when carrying fuel in station wagon SUVs. I also carry comfortable outdoor furniture (I don't like those umbrella style folding chairs.) I found that furniture difficult to handle in a station wagon (Disco D2.)
Peter, I am talking about the Wagon versions of utes. There is no wagon variant of the Navara sold in Oz. Please re-read my post.
-- Edited by Hylife on Saturday 28th of January 2017 09:01:22 PM
Gday...
So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??
I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !
Cheers - John
Our 2015 Navara sits dead level with a fully loaded tub & 170kg on the ball. No WDH required either. https://www.caravansplus.com.au/catalog/help-tips10.php
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Tuesday 24th of January 2017 08:40:59 AM
Not everyone does.
Some folks want serious off road 4x4 capabilities and good towing but baulk at the idea of having to settle for an overpriced Jeep or Landcruiser
Utes are designed for tray carrying. They are insecure and dusty and utilise old style leaf springs for the load weights, which is why there are a whole raft of more luxurious wagons built from the ute platform.
Mitsubishi Triton = Pajero Sport
Toyota Hilux = Fortuner
Holden Colorado = Colorado 7
Ford Ranger = Everest
Nissan Navara = NP300 (not sold here yet)
Isuzu D-Max = MUX
Check out a few of them here:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/431436/family-4x4-suv-comparison-ford-everest-v-isuzu-mu-x-v-mitsubishi-pajero-sport-v-toyota-fortuner-v-nissan-patrol/
NO! What I said was the Ute was already dragging its arse with nobody in the thing when hooked up to a caravan with 165kg on the ball. Reading lessons?
You see dead level - I see a Ute sagging badly! I own one too, I know what it looks like before you hook up a van - it don't look like that! Mine sits up nice & high at the back, look at that gap between your front tyres & your wheel arches! To me, your Ute looks like its dragging its arse!
Gday...
Sorry Mutley ... I thought I had correctly read what was typed ... praps I should break it down and see if I can understand it better this time around.
Does that seem to provide a fair summation of your post?
Now, what did I ask in my post?
Perhaps I should paraphrase a bit - You say you added 165Kg towball weight to the completely empty Navara and it dragged its 'arse like a dog with worms".
I simply then asked that, given the Navara was empty BEFORE you added the van, with its 165Kg towball weight, but instead of attaching the van ... if TWO people (which would equate to approximately 165Kg of weight) then stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms".
So - I do admit I have a penchant for misunderstanding or not comprehending people's comments. However, I thought I had actually quite grasped what you had been trying to impart.
Cheers - John
Gday...
Do these pics of Nissan Navaras appear to be 'nice and high at the back' or perhaps just a little bit 'level'?
Just asking coz I am now quite confused by the Navara you seem to have.
Cheers - John
Some education for you.
On 11 June 2014, Nissan unveiled the third generation Navara (now known as the NP300 Navara) and is codenamed D23. It has been on sale in Oz for some years, a mate of mine has had one for a year or so. He is wrapped in its performance, he tows a 2800 kg Future Systems van. He reckons it is more comfortable than his previous R51 Pathfinder.
I have a D40 twin cab. When I purchased it it had the best back seat of the twin cabs then on sale. Most people seem to judge the rear seat room after sitting in a D22 twin cab ( which has 250 mm shorter wheel base, most of that is taken from the rear seat room.)
I chose the twin cab because of the problem of the smell when carrying fuel in station wagon SUVs. I also carry comfortable outdoor furniture (I don't like those umbrella style folding chairs.) I found that furniture difficult to handle in a station wagon (Disco D2.)
loading the back of the vehicle loads the rear axle, but not the hitch, as the weight doesn't connect to the car through the hitch.
Loading the A Frame loads up the hitch, as that is the connection point for the additional weight to the car.
Just a small difference but it is different.
Peter, I am talking about the Wagon versions of utes. There is no wagon variant of the Navara sold in Oz. Please re-read my post.
-- Edited by Hylife on Saturday 28th of January 2017 09:01:22 PM