Connecting 12v/240v inverter to caravan 240v circuit
Barboots said
05:42 PM Aug 22, 2017
I think in your excitement you've misunderstood my post mate.
melpal said
12:55 AM Jun 16, 2018
oldtrack123 wrote:
greyhoundtom wrote:
lizard wrote:
why don't you just use an extension lead from inverter output to caravan 240 volt input plug - replace van RCD with an RVD ?
Thanks Lizard that is the most logical idea yet, and with a little bit of work I can achieve that.
Hi Tom
I suppose you are going to be foolish enough to do this restricted work as well.
It seems you have little idea of the rules & regulations & their purpose
They are primarily there to protect fools & innocent parties
Your apparent contempt for rules& regulations & lack of understanding of the risks of your ideas horrifies me
& I suggest you stick to YOUR trade!!!!
Yes, like carpenters & builders there are good & bad,electricians, No hopers even some absolute idiots.
But the Rules /Regulations & Electrical Standards, IF followed , save lives.
Unfortunately many would bes, THINK they know better..
Which group do you fit in???
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Friday 25th of December 2015 01:19:45 AM
The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment. Lets look at bodies of water and the back yard pool....Why are ponds not fenced ???? The local governments exempt themselves,why ? If you attended a local shire and raised safety concerns about an 'un-Fenced body of water, i am sure they will not erect a fence.SO,why backyard fences....well ???? revenue .....Verdict: When you are at a local 'Pond' you are wholly responsible for the buffer between kids and the Pond,in your own yard the shire makes you add and additional control ergo a 'pool fence' what a paradox........
Mike Harding said
11:14 AM Jun 16, 2018
melpal wrote: The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment.
Sadly, there are a proportion of people (10% maybe) who feel it is their duty and they have the God given right and wisdom to direct the rest of us regarding how to behave.
Of course they invariably rationalise their behaviour with a justification that "it's for your own good" and, indeed, usually frame their legislation and rules so that this may, superficially, seem to be correct but, what they purposefully ignore is that I neither need nor want them to control me whether it's for my own good or not!
Having lived around this world a bit I never cease to be amazed by the apathy in Australia. Governments seem able to pass almost any laws at all with impunity - data retention anyone - it really is a country of "I'm alright Jack". Try this sort of thing on, eg, the French and they'd be out on the streets before you say sacrebleu.
oldtrack123 said
09:41 PM Jun 16, 2018
Mike Harding wrote:
melpal wrote: The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment.
Sadly, there are a proportion of people (10% maybe) who feel it is their duty and they have the God given right and wisdom to direct the rest of us regarding how to behave.
Of course they invariably rationalise their behaviour with a justification that "it's for your own good" and, indeed, usually frame their legislation and rules so that this may, superficially, seem to be correct but, what they purposefully ignore is that I neither need nor want them to control me whether it's for my own good or not!
Having lived around this world a bit I never cease to be amazed by the apathy in Australia. Governments seem able to pass almost any laws at all with impunity - data retention anyone - it really is a country of "I'm alright Jack". Try this sort of thing on, eg, the French and they'd be out on the streets before you say sacrebleu.
The BIG thing you missed is not the risk to you, but the possible risks to other innocent parties
A good typical example is the suicide adapter .,made up by those with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to themselves & others
YOU may know how to safely use ,it but what about others ,such as children or less informed
They strictly illegal for bloody good reasons!!!
To others ,think of the trouble you would be in,if some one ,especially a child got electrocuted, when one YOU made up, was in use.
Are YOU going to stand & guard it AT ALL TIMES when it is in use & securely lock it away when not in use.???
There is no justification or need for such , when fully approved devices ,with ALL the required safety features ,are available
Some here would be the first to scream if a loved one was injured or killed due to someone doing unsafe ,illegal electrical work
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 16th of June 2018 09:52:10 PM
Mike Harding said
07:49 AM Jun 17, 2018
oldtrack123 wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
melpal wrote: The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment.
Sadly, there are a proportion of people (10% maybe) who feel it is their duty and they have the God given right and wisdom to direct the rest of us regarding how to behave.
Of course they invariably rationalise their behaviour with a justification that "it's for your own good" and, indeed, usually frame their legislation and rules so that this may, superficially, seem to be correct but, what they purposefully ignore is that I neither need nor want them to control me whether it's for my own good or not!
Having lived around this world a bit I never cease to be amazed by the apathy in Australia. Governments seem able to pass almost any laws at all with impunity - data retention anyone - it really is a country of "I'm alright Jack". Try this sort of thing on, eg, the French and they'd be out on the streets before you say sacrebleu.
The BIG thing you missed is not the risk to you, but the possible risks to other innocent parties
A good typical example is the suicide adapter .,made up by those with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to themselves & others
YOU may know how to safely use ,it but what about others ,such as children or less informed
They strictly illegal for bloody good reasons!!!
To others ,think of the trouble you would be in,if some one ,especially a child got electrocuted, when one YOU made up, was in use.
Are YOU going to stand & guard it AT ALL TIMES when it is in use & securely lock it away when not in use.???
There is no justification or need for such , when fully approved devices ,with ALL the required safety features ,are available
Some here would be the first to scream if a loved one was injured or killed due to someone doing unsafe ,illegal electrical work
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 16th of June 2018 09:52:10 PM
Point proven, I think.
stormtigers said
09:54 AM Jun 13, 2024
Hi Guys
Came across this quite old thread an noted what the OP wanted to achieve.
Could this be achieved legally and safely using a device such as this ?
Not a sparky so asking those in the know ?
Specs on this are (what I could find anyway)
Input: 220V - 250V ~ 50/60Hz, 7.5A Class I
Each USB Output 5V - 2.1A
Each AC Output: 220V - 250V ~ 50/60Hz, 5.5A
Slim line powerpoint with USB ports (2 x GPO/2 x USB 2.0)
Corndoggy said
05:05 PM Jun 13, 2024
Would you have a podiatrist do a appendectomy on you?
No.
Yet you do your own work on work that has to be done by licensed people, people that do it for a living, people that have responsibilities for lives and property, people that can be prosecuted for stuffing up, people that have to keep up with ever changing rules and regulations.
Having to ask the question here answers the question. You got no idea on it.
But you saved a few dollars.
Corndoggy said
05:12 PM Jun 13, 2024
Opps only notice the first page and the original date.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Thursday 13th of June 2024 05:13:43 PM
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Thursday 13th of June 2024 05:15:40 PM
Corndoggy said
05:23 PM Jun 13, 2024
oldtrack123 wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
melpal wrote: The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment.
Sadly, there are a proportion of people (10% maybe) who feel it is their duty and they have the God given right and wisdom to direct the rest of us regarding how to behave.
Of course they invariably rationalise their behaviour with a justification that "it's for your own good" and, indeed, usually frame their legislation and rules so that this may, superficially, seem to be correct but, what they purposefully ignore is that I neither need nor want them to control me whether it's for my own good or not!
Having lived around this world a bit I never cease to be amazed by the apathy in Australia. Governments seem able to pass almost any laws at all with impunity - data retention anyone - it really is a country of "I'm alright Jack". Try this sort of thing on, eg, the French and they'd be out on the streets before you say sacrebleu.
The BIG thing you missed is not the risk to you, but the possible risks to other innocent parties
A good typical example is the suicide adapter .,made up by those with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to themselves & others
YOU may know how to safely use ,it but what about others ,such as children or less informed
They strictly illegal for bloody good reasons!!!
To others ,think of the trouble you would be in,if some one ,especially a child got electrocuted, when one YOU made up, was in use.
Are YOU going to stand & guard it AT ALL TIMES when it is in use & securely lock it away when not in use.???
There is no justification or need for such , when fully approved devices ,with ALL the required safety features ,are available
Some here would be the first to scream if a loved one was injured or killed due to someone doing unsafe ,illegal electrical work
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 16th of June 2018 09:52:10 PM
When we had the big bushfire here in Melbourne you had people buying generators and pluging them into the houses or what was left of them. That then fed out to where ever and what ever was left connected. People did not know, had no idea of the effect of that, it's just my house. You had people out of their property get electric shocks, people trying to help. None of these people doing registered work had a licence to do it. Just like the OP.
Dick0 said
05:09 PM Jun 14, 2024
Folks, it is possible (with recommended assistance of sparky for sign off requirement).
If I were doing it, I would prepare the cabling, connections and required hardware and have sparky undertake confirmation of work quality and sign off on it if satisfied, for a fee.
What I find interesting, chatting with builders around my area. They are all using battery powered tools where possible. It's not worth the BS admin of using 230v equipment.
Blues Man said
09:13 AM Jun 15, 2024
Battery operated tools are so handy ,no leads to worry about and take your tools absolutely anywhere and a lot safer than 240v.
watsea said
10:03 AM Jun 15, 2024
Blues Man wrote:
Battery operated tools are so handy ,no leads to worry about and take your tools absolutely anywhere and a lot safer than 240v.
I think tradies have gone through their learning curve about leaving tools behind. After the transition from tools having air hoses and power leads, there was a period where some tradies were leaving their power tools behind on sites because the usually attached air hoses and power leads were not visible.
Most workers are remembering their gear nowadays.
Corndoggy said
12:28 PM Jun 15, 2024
Dick0 wrote:
Folks, it is possible (with recommended assistance of sparky for sign off requirement).
If I were doing it, I would prepare the cabling, connections and required hardware and have sparky undertake confirmation of work quality and sign off on it if satisfied, for a fee.
I would not sign off on anyones work that I did not do myself so someone could save themselves money for doing my job themselves. They probably would want acheap price for the sign off as well.
The duality of governance/rights to do,'If i can'. Philosophical V Risk and/or its Assessment. Lets look at bodies of water and the back yard pool....Why are ponds not fenced ???? The local governments exempt themselves,why ? If you attended a local shire and raised safety concerns about an 'un-Fenced body of water, i am sure they will not erect a fence.SO,why backyard fences....well ???? revenue .....Verdict: When you are at a local 'Pond' you are wholly responsible for the buffer between kids and the Pond,in your own yard the shire makes you add and additional control ergo a 'pool fence' what a paradox........
Sadly, there are a proportion of people (10% maybe) who feel it is
their duty and they have the God given right and wisdom to direct the
rest of us regarding how to behave.
Of course they invariably rationalise their behaviour with a
justification that "it's for your own good" and, indeed, usually
frame their legislation and rules so that this may, superficially,
seem to be correct but, what they purposefully ignore is that I
neither need nor want them to control me whether it's for my own good
or not!
Having lived around this world a bit I never cease to be amazed by
the apathy in Australia. Governments seem able to pass almost any
laws at all with impunity - data retention anyone - it really is a
country of "I'm alright Jack". Try this sort of thing on, eg, the
French and they'd be out on the streets before you say sacrebleu.
The BIG thing you missed is not the risk to you, but the possible risks to other innocent parties
A good typical example is the suicide adapter .,made up by those with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to themselves & others
YOU may know how to safely use ,it but what about others ,such as children or less informed
They strictly illegal for bloody good reasons!!!
To others ,think of the trouble you would be in,if some one ,especially a child got electrocuted, when one YOU made up, was in use.
Are YOU going to stand & guard it AT ALL TIMES when it is in use & securely lock it away when not in use.???
There is no justification or need for such , when fully approved devices ,with ALL the required safety features ,are available
Some here would be the first to scream if a loved one was injured or killed due to someone doing unsafe ,illegal electrical work
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 16th of June 2018 09:52:10 PM
Point proven, I think.
Hi Guys
Came across this quite old thread an noted what the OP wanted to achieve.
Could this be achieved legally and safely using a device such as this ?
Not a sparky so asking those in the know ?
Specs on this are (what I could find anyway)
No.
Yet you do your own work on work that has to be done by licensed people, people that do it for a living, people that have responsibilities for lives and property, people that can be prosecuted for stuffing up, people that have to keep up with ever changing rules and regulations.
Having to ask the question here answers the question. You got no idea on it.
But you saved a few dollars.
Opps only notice the first page and the original date.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Thursday 13th of June 2024 05:13:43 PM
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Thursday 13th of June 2024 05:15:40 PM
When we had the big bushfire here in Melbourne you had people buying generators and pluging them into the houses or what was left of them. That then fed out to where ever and what ever was left connected. People did not know, had no idea of the effect of that, it's just my house. You had people out of their property get electric shocks, people trying to help. None of these people doing registered work had a licence to do it. Just like the OP.
Folks, it is possible (with recommended assistance of sparky for sign off requirement).
If I were doing it, I would prepare the cabling, connections and required hardware and have sparky undertake confirmation of work quality and sign off on it if satisfied, for a fee.
3000W Pure Sine Wave 12V to 240V Inverter (with AC Transfer Switch) - Hardkorr Australia
15A output inverter.
Read and view video.
What I find interesting, chatting with builders around my area. They are all using battery powered tools where possible. It's not worth the BS admin of using 230v equipment.
Battery operated tools are so handy ,no leads to worry about and take your tools absolutely anywhere and a lot safer than 240v.
I think tradies have gone through their learning curve about leaving tools behind. After the transition from tools having air hoses and power leads, there was a period where some tradies were leaving their power tools behind on sites because the usually attached air hoses and power leads were not visible.
Most workers are remembering their gear nowadays.
I would not sign off on anyones work that I did not do myself so someone could save themselves money for doing my job themselves. They probably would want acheap price for the sign off as well.