Milo, an auto electrician should not touch any of the 240 V installation. If one happily works on 240 V stuff I would not go near him, he would look too gung ho to me. (on the other hand you may find an auto electrician who is a licensed electrical contractor but that would be a rare beast.)
You should seek out an electrical contractor who is familiar with AS/NZS 3001 to do the work for you.
oldtrack123 said
03:31 PM Nov 18, 2011
milo wrote:
so what if i got 240 installed into the camper, like you do with a caravan, would that be better? ie thru a proper auto elctrician
this pic below is like the one im thinking of..
-- Edited by milo on Friday 18th of November 2011 03:14:04 PM
Hi Milo
NO , you need a PROPER electrician
You need a LICENSED electrical contractor & make sure HE KNOWS the rules in AS/NZS3001:2008
If like many he does not ,or tells you they do not matter, find one who knows they do matter & ask for a compliance certicate to the standards AS3000 &as 3001 for the work
Some people seem to think electrical safety is a joking matter
Some seem to think the rules are made just to make life hard
Unfortunately many who should know better also adopt that attitude
Some electrician seem to go out of their way to avoid following them
The standards [rules] are there to protect lives & property
THAT IS their main purpose
& to any one who really understands ,THEY DO MAKE SENSE
milo said
03:43 PM Nov 18, 2011
struth.my head is hearting. so i need an electrican, not an auto electrian....
milo said
03:54 PM Nov 18, 2011
just out of interest, if all i want is to use my laptop, fridge and portable tv (maybe) would i be better off doing a duel house battery set up and run all off 12 volt? and can i set up power to charge these items during the day from solar, and how do they work in wet weather... and how much power would i have at night.. i feel like its complicated... i do want to be safe..
oldtrack123 said
04:41 PM Nov 18, 2011
Hi Milo
12v is the safest way to go
But the fridge may be the big power chewer, what type /model is it, ??
That will be the main thing to base your solar power & battery requirements on
Also how long you would like to be able to camp without mains 240v power & not going for a few hrs drive
If you are where mains power is available ,a single extension lead to a portable battery charger is not a problem
Peter
oldtrack123 said
04:53 PM Nov 18, 2011
milo wrote:
struth.my head is hearting. so i need an electrican, not an auto electrian....
Hi Milo
ANY 24Ov fixed wiring requires a licensed electrical contractor
That means for power points etc in vans or campertrailers
BUT additional rules to normal wiring rules are involved with vans, camper trailer setc
THOSE ADDITIONALl rules are in standardAS3001:2008
Many electricians are not aware of these additional rules[if they are not involved with vans etc] which it is wise to check if they are aware of them
Peter
jimricho said
05:47 PM Nov 18, 2011
milo wrote:
so what if i got 240 installed into the camper, like you do with a caravan, would that be better? ie thru a proper auto elctrician
Just stick to the earlier plan suggested (the power block and extension cord) until you've used the camper a bit and can see how it works out for you. Just keep it simple.
One suggestion is to get a rechargeable camping light, any camping store will keep a range that you can choose from. You can use this for your lighting needs in the camper without having to plug it into anything.
-- Edited by jimricho on Friday 18th of November 2011 05:54:25 PM
Happywanderer said
05:54 PM Nov 18, 2011
Solar garden lights are also good. I bought a shed solar light, you leave the solar panel lying on the dash during the day and at night you have a useable light. Not cost except for initial purchase.
milo said
06:04 PM Nov 18, 2011
jimricho wrote:
milo wrote:
so what if i got 240 installed into the camper, like you do with a caravan, would that be better? ie thru a proper auto elctrician
Just stick to the earlier plan suggested (the power block and extension cord) until you've used the camper a bit and can see how it works out for you. Just keep it simple.
One suggestion is to get a rechargeable camping light, any camping store will keep a range that you can choose from. You can use this for your lighting needs in the camper without having to plug it into anything.
-- Edited by jimricho on Friday 18th of November 2011 05:54:25 PM
yeah, i think i can use that earlier set up for just till i get used to the camper set up, then when i use it more and save up again get a qualified person to put in the 240..
jimricho said
07:45 PM Nov 18, 2011
Bosshog wrote:
milo wrote:
struth.my head is hearting. so i need an electrican, not an auto electrian....
Milo PM oldtrack123 as he is the one and only who can do the job for you so he can show his prowess and fit one for you.
milo said
09:57 PM Nov 18, 2011
thanks ,think im gonna leave it for a while, need to save up for it or a unit first..
i still may get a tent until i can afford a trailer or what ever..
-- Edited by milo on Saturday 19th of November 2011 12:52:16 AM
ozjohn said
04:13 PM Nov 19, 2011
Are some of you Jockers for real? 42 (Now 43) to turn a simple question into a courtroom drama. The original post was simple enough and so is the answer. Can he use power in his tent? Yes! Ozjohn.
jimricho said
06:32 PM Nov 19, 2011
That's tellin' 'im!!
milo said
08:03 PM Nov 19, 2011
ok enough said... i just want a freakn simple answer OK???????????? i get a 15 amp lead from the caravan park to my tent.. then what kind of power board do i use.... struth.. ive had enough crap today and dont want to deal with it on line.. just help me out for fraken hek...
ChiChi1 said
08:08 PM Nov 19, 2011
Well said Milo
Happywanderer said
08:11 PM Nov 19, 2011
Simple answers to simple questions would be a great help to everyone. Especially milo. milo. Worry about getting your tent first. You will find there will be a heap of extras you will need to buy. Just go through them all slowly when the time comes. Don't worry about it at the moment. OK?
milo said
08:23 PM Nov 19, 2011
sorry guys,just been a hell of a few weeks as you know... and today was no picnic either..
jimricho said
08:59 PM Nov 19, 2011
milo wrote:
ok enough said... i just want a freakn simple answer OK???????????? i get a 15 amp lead from the caravan park to my tent.. then what kind of power board do i use.... struth.. ive had enough crap today and dont want to deal with it on line.. just help me out for fraken hek...
And Jason, you're entitled to a simple answer too!
You can use a 10 amp or a 15 amp cord, either will plug into a caravan park power point, but make sure it's one that's suitable for outdoor use. They are usually coloured orange or yellow (sometimes other colours). The ones for indoor only use are thinner and usually coloured white.
The type of power board is the one shown in the picture in my earlier post.
I can understand your frustration. I've stopped reading his posts as I've got better things to do with my life than wade through his legalistic garbage. He has never contributed anything positive or helpful to this forum.
Keep your chin up mate,
cheers,
Jim
PeterD said
09:17 PM Nov 19, 2011
milo wrote:i know when we had the tardis ,motor home at the caravan parks we pluged the big 15 amps (i think that was the ones) into the power inlet on the van,
but when your tenting and you want power for your laptop,tv, fridge etc
what do do you plug those into, can you just plug a normal power board into the lead from the cp power?
how does this work , thanks guys..
Well let's get back to simple answers. The answer is no, "normal power boards" are not permitted to be used in trents. Oldtrack gave you detailed reasons why you can not and you heaped s**t on him. Seeing you want a simple answer, I will repeat it, you are not permitted to do so with your intended equipment. Just because others do so does not make it right or legal.
-- Edited by PeterD on Saturday 19th of November 2011 09:27:18 PM
-- Edited by PeterD on Saturday 19th of November 2011 09:27:58 PM
oldtrack123 said
10:17 PM Nov 19, 2011
I have seen two deaths due to electrocution & was involved in determining the causes
I have had to investigate quite a few elecrical shock incidents
Note I do not say accidents because none were accidents ,all were due to some one thinking they knew better
I have also seen the results of power outlets overheating
AS a result of the above ,I believe I have a duty to let all know the rules & the RISKS they take by not following them
That is part of my duty as a qualified./licensed electrician
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 19th of November 2011 10:19:43 PM
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 19th of November 2011 10:24:53 PM
Webmaster said
10:28 PM Nov 19, 2011
Hope that all helps, Milo.You’ve certainly got a range of different views. I think I'll close this string down now. Just a reminder everyone, that this is a friendly forum and personal insults are not welcome.I have edited a couple of posts in this string because I felt that they were not positive and certainly weren’t helping Milo with his original query. If anyone has got any concerns about any posts, posters or anything at all relating to the forum, please do not hesitate to PM me or email me and I’ll do all I can to resolve any issues.
Milo, an auto electrician should not touch any of the 240 V installation. If one happily works on 240 V stuff I would not go near him, he would look too gung ho to me. (on the other hand you may find an auto electrician who is a licensed electrical contractor but that would be a rare beast.)
You should seek out an electrical contractor who is familiar with AS/NZS 3001 to do the work for you.
Hi Milo
NO , you need a PROPER electrician
You need a LICENSED electrical contractor
& make sure HE KNOWS the rules in AS/NZS3001:2008
If like many he does not ,or tells you they do not matter, find one who knows they do matter & ask for a compliance certicate to the standards AS3000 &as 3001 for the work
Some people seem to think electrical safety is a joking matter
Some seem to think the rules are made just to make life hard
Unfortunately many who should know better also adopt that attitude
Some electrician seem to go out of their way to avoid following them
The standards [rules] are there to protect lives & property
THAT IS their main purpose
& to any one who really understands ,THEY DO MAKE SENSE
off doing a duel house battery set up and run all off 12 volt? and can i set up power to charge these items during the day from
solar, and how do they work in wet weather... and how much power would i have at night..
i feel like its complicated... i do want to be safe..
Hi Milo
12v is the safest way to go
But the fridge may be the big power chewer, what type /model is it, ??
That will be the main thing to base your solar power & battery requirements on
Also how long you would like to be able to camp without mains 240v power & not going for a few hrs drive
If you are where mains power is available ,a single extension lead to a portable battery charger is not a problem
Peter
Hi Milo
ANY 24Ov fixed wiring requires a licensed electrical contractor
That means for power points etc in vans or campertrailers
BUT additional rules to normal wiring rules are involved with vans, camper trailer setc
THOSE ADDITIONALl rules are in standardAS3001:2008
Many electricians are not aware of these additional rules[if they are not involved with vans etc] which it is wise to check if they are aware of them
Peter
Just stick to the earlier plan suggested (the power block and extension cord) until you've used the camper a bit and can see how it works out for you. Just keep it simple.
One suggestion is to get a rechargeable camping light, any camping store will keep a range that you can choose from. You can use this for your lighting needs in the camper without having to plug it into anything.
-- Edited by jimricho on Friday 18th of November 2011 05:54:25 PM
yeah, i think i can use that earlier set up for just till i get used to the camper set up, then when i use it more and save up again get a qualified person to put in the 240..
thanks ,think im gonna leave it for a while, need to save up for it or a unit first..
i still may get a tent until i can afford a trailer or what ever..
-- Edited by milo on Saturday 19th of November 2011 12:52:16 AM
Are some of you Jockers for real?
42 (Now 43) to turn a simple question into a courtroom drama.
The original post was simple enough and so is the answer.
Can he use power in his tent?
Yes!
Ozjohn.
i get a 15 amp lead from the caravan park to my tent.. then what kind of power board do i use....
struth.. ive had enough crap today and dont want to deal with it on line.. just help me out for fraken hek...
milo. Worry about getting your tent first. You will find there will be a heap of extras you will need to buy. Just go through them all slowly when the time comes. Don't worry about it at the moment. OK?
And Jason, you're entitled to a simple answer too!
You can use a 10 amp or a 15 amp cord, either will plug into a caravan park power point, but make sure it's one that's suitable for outdoor use. They are usually coloured orange or yellow (sometimes other colours). The ones for indoor only use are thinner and usually coloured white.
The type of power board is the one shown in the picture in my earlier post.
I can understand your frustration. I've stopped reading his posts as I've got better things to do with my life than wade through his legalistic garbage. He has never contributed anything positive or helpful to this forum.
Keep your chin up mate,
cheers,
Jim
Well let's get back to simple answers. The answer is no, "normal power boards" are not permitted to be used in trents. Oldtrack gave you detailed reasons why you can not and you heaped s**t on him. Seeing you want a simple answer, I will repeat it, you are not permitted to do so with your intended equipment. Just because others do so does not make it right or legal.
-- Edited by PeterD on Saturday 19th of November 2011 09:27:18 PM
-- Edited by PeterD on Saturday 19th of November 2011 09:27:58 PM
I have seen two deaths due to electrocution & was involved in determining the causes
I have had to investigate quite a few elecrical shock incidents
Note I do not say accidents because none were accidents ,all were due to some one thinking they knew better
I have also seen the results of power outlets overheating
AS a result of the above ,I believe I have a duty to let all know the rules & the RISKS they take by not following them
That is part of my duty as a qualified./licensed electrician
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 19th of November 2011 10:19:43 PM
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 19th of November 2011 10:24:53 PM
Hope that all helps, Milo. You’ve certainly got a range of different views. I think I'll close this string down now. Just a reminder everyone, that this is a friendly forum and personal insults are not welcome. I have edited a couple of posts in this string because I felt that they were not positive and certainly weren’t helping Milo with his original query. If anyone has got any concerns about any posts, posters or anything at all relating to the forum, please do not hesitate to PM me or email me and I’ll do all I can to resolve any issues.