Not sure what you are getting at. The vaccine is not fully effective until some time after the second dose. After the first dose, there would be some protection but it takes time to build.
Even if he had been fully vaccinated, there is no guarantee he would have survived. The vaccination does a good job of preventing you from catching it, a better job of keeping you out of hospital, and then an even better job of keeping you alive. But, it's not a guarantee. Like a seatbelt in a car, or a helmet on a bike rider, it just helps your outcome, but by a far greater factor.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 01:42:40 AM
dorian said
05:22 AM Aug 3, 2021
Craig1 wrote:
why did a ninety year old die in Sydney today or yesterday with only having their 1st jab?
This question has been answered thousands of times. You should know the answer.
You are far more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident that having the vaccination, yet people jump in their cars and driver every day without a thought about their safety
yobarr said
07:41 AM Aug 7, 2021
Trevor 57 wrote:
You are far more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident that having the vaccination, yet people jump in their cars and driver every day without a thought about their safety
Settle back Trevor! Way too much commonsense and logic involved in that sentence,which echoes what I posted a week or so ago.Unfortunately,social media provides enough rubbish to scare the living spit out of many sheeple,who seem unable to think for themselves?Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 7th of August 2021 09:08:53 AM
oldbloke said
02:47 PM Aug 8, 2021
Great story that compares the pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. Includes to great, easy to understand stat's.
Good to see recent data on comparing AZ with Pfizer, rather than the often quoted trial results. So there is negligible difference between them in their ability to save lives.
As for the risk of dying from blood clotting due to AZ, the ones I think most would identify with are 56 times greater risk that you will die in a car accident each year, or 32 times greater risk of being a victim of homicide. Those aren't statistics that keep me awake at night.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 8th of August 2021 03:38:15 PM
dorian said
05:36 PM Aug 8, 2021
The USA approved Moderna's COVID vaccine in Dec 2020:
Australia''s GDP about $1.6 trillion/25 million people = $64,000 per capita.
Two Pfizer doses $60.00, but let's say $300.00 by the time you get it in arms.
Still cheap in the scheme of things.
Trevor 57 said
05:00 AM Aug 9, 2021
NSW bringing Australia to its knees - well done NSW Government
msg said
12:22 PM Aug 9, 2021
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?
We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.
It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.
It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.
Whenarewethere said
12:55 PM Aug 9, 2021
It seems to be that the people who have had an early vaccination, they will be the ones who need a booster sooner.
There is some talk that it may be better to have a booster different to the original type of vaccine.
So it may be better in the long run that there are as may variations of vacancies.
Rob Driver said
01:32 PM Aug 9, 2021
msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?
We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.
It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.
It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.
These vaccines are currently being administered world wide.
As a matter of interest, in your opinion, how long should the Australian Medical experts wait before beginning to recommend the current brands to the Australian population for protection against the severity of the Covid pandemic?
yobarr said
01:55 PM Aug 9, 2021
msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?
We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.
It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.
It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.
Could you tell us of the proven pitfalls of the AC and Pfizer vaccines? Not interested in garbage sprouted on social media that confuses only the gullible, but proven pitfalls. As I and another poster have already pointed out,there is a 50 times greater chance of dying in a car accident than there is of dying from a Covid jab. And deaths from car accidents largely go unnoticed. Spare me! Cheers
P.S This car is in two halves after being wrapped around a powerpole,killing 5 of the 6 occupants.As fate would have it,the survivor was the driver.
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 01:55:23 PM
Yobarr, Just looking to picking a fight? Pretty nasty.
Answer: Why of course, blood clots and heart problems they are the pitfalls. IDIOT.
Your reference to vehicle accidents has no relevance to the vaccines and I am sick of it being trotted out. One example would be, you know and can control (in a lot of cases) the dangers of being on the road. With the vaccines you don't know (for sure) all the side effects and cannot control any of them. Except the one decision to have or not to have.
FYI: I am one of the haves.
Anyway, that was not what I was discussing.
You have called a lot of people idiots on this forum and I for one do not like it. Nasty, Nasty person.
Dicko1 said
05:32 PM Aug 9, 2021
msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?
We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.
It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.
It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.
Another untested vaccine? Where in the world do you get this rubbish.
In the UK, blood clots have occurred in people taking the AstraZeneca vaccine at a rate of roughly one in every 250,000, whereas blood clots caused by the pill are estimated to affect one in every 1,000 women each year.
-- Edited by Dicko1 on Monday 9th of August 2021 05:33:38 PM
msg said
05:45 PM Aug 9, 2021
You too Dicko? whilst very rare blood clots are nevertheless pitfalls. No matter what you compare them to. IDIOT
Dicko1 said
05:52 PM Aug 9, 2021
msg wrote:
You too Dicko? whilst very rare blood clots are nevertheless pitfalls. No matter what you compare them to. IDIOT
Keep posting...Many only thought you were a clown....however now you are making it known that you are indeed a clown.
Life is a pitfall..
msg said
05:52 PM Aug 9, 2021
Nasty, Nasty
yobarr said
05:53 PM Aug 9, 2021
msg wrote:
Yobarr, Just looking to picking a fight? Pretty nasty. Answer: Why of course, blood clots and heart problems they are the pitfalls. IDIOT. Your reference to vehicle accidents has no relevance to the vaccines and I am sick of it being trotted out. One example would be, you know and can control (in a lot of cases) the dangers of being on the road. With the vaccines you don't know (for sure) all the side effects and cannot control any of them. Except the one decision to have or not to have. FYI: I am one of the haves. Anyway, that was not what I was discussing. You have called a lot of people idiots on this forum and I for one do not like it. Nasty, Nasty person.
This may well confuse you,but referring to people in general as idiots,and calling any particular individual an idiot,are two vastly different things. "Nasty,nasty person",you say? Water off a duck's back to me,as I've been called worse things by better people. Great to see that you have had your shots,however.Very mature.Have a GREAT day.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:08:17 PM
oldbloke said
05:54 PM Aug 9, 2021
Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.
yobarr said
06:04 PM Aug 9, 2021
oldbloke wrote:
Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.
Careful Neil,or you may well be consigned to the "Idiots" club,joining Ian (Dicko1) and I. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:05:14 PM
Dicko1 said
09:11 AM Aug 10, 2021
yobarr wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.
Careful Neil,or you may well be consigned to the "Idiots" club,joining Ian (Dicko1) and I. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:05:14 PM
Ease up Yobarr...I represent that remark.....lol.
Here is an interesting article regarding vaccination rate and opening up too early...
Not sure what you are getting at. The vaccine is not fully effective until some time after the second dose. After the first dose, there would be some protection but it takes time to build.
Even if he had been fully vaccinated, there is no guarantee he would have survived. The vaccination does a good job of preventing you from catching it, a better job of keeping you out of hospital, and then an even better job of keeping you alive. But, it's not a guarantee. Like a seatbelt in a car, or a helmet on a bike rider, it just helps your outcome, but by a far greater factor.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 01:42:40 AM
This question has been answered thousands of times. You should know the answer.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/covid-delta-danger-sees-experts-prepare-for-hospital-surge/100334558
NSW ICU data:
54 cases in ICU
7 in their 20s, 6 in their 30s, 2 in their 40s,
16 are in their 50s, 14 in their 60s and 9 are in their 70s
Of the 54 people in ICU:
48 not vaccinated
6 people received their first dose (AstraZeneca or Pfizer)
0 fully vaccinated
Wot? An inconvenient truth. The anti mob are clutching at straws now. Getting harder and harder to find a face saver now.
6.1 ML doses of AZ and 5 deaths I think.
www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-22-07-2021
I have been following the Covid-19 news, and if I remember correctly
The following snip, from a news article, is the first time I had read this information
Perhaps they should have said this, from day 1, or perhaps this info has only just come to light
Link to the news article (today), is below
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/what-will-my-gp-ask-me-about-astrazeneca-vaccine/100348720
Settle back Trevor! Way too much commonsense and logic involved in that sentence,which echoes what I posted a week or so ago.Unfortunately,social media provides enough rubbish to scare the living spit out of many sheeple,who seem unable to think for themselves?Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 7th of August 2021 09:08:53 AM
www.news.com.au/technology/science/australian-health-experts-have-pleaded-with-people-to-get-the-jab/news-story/d50f6bb06cf6c99c176b648a52486a90
Thanks Oldbloke.
Good to see recent data on comparing AZ with Pfizer, rather than the often quoted trial results. So there is negligible difference between them in their ability to save lives.
As for the risk of dying from blood clotting due to AZ, the ones I think most would identify with are 56 times greater risk that you will die in a car accident each year, or 32 times greater risk of being a victim of homicide. Those aren't statistics that keep me awake at night.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 8th of August 2021 03:38:15 PM
The USA approved Moderna's COVID vaccine in Dec 2020:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55370999
Australia's TGA is due to approve the same vaccine in 2 weeks, ie Aug 2021.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-08/moderna-covid-vaccine-to-be-approved-within-a-fortnight/100359788
WTF?
Australia''s GDP about $1.6 trillion/25 million people = $64,000 per capita.
Two Pfizer doses $60.00, but let's say $300.00 by the time you get it in arms.
Still cheap in the scheme of things.
NSW bringing Australia to its knees - well done NSW Government
We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.
It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.
It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.
It seems to be that the people who have had an early vaccination, they will be the ones who need a booster sooner.
There is some talk that it may be better to have a booster different to the original type of vaccine.
So it may be better in the long run that there are as may variations of vacancies.
These vaccines are currently being administered world wide.
As a matter of interest, in your opinion, how long should the Australian Medical experts wait before beginning to recommend the current brands to the Australian population for protection against the severity of the Covid pandemic?
Could you tell us of the proven pitfalls of the AC and Pfizer vaccines? Not interested in garbage sprouted on social media that confuses only the gullible, but proven pitfalls. As I and another poster have already pointed out,there is a 50 times greater chance of dying in a car accident than there is of dying from a Covid jab. And deaths from car accidents largely go unnoticed. Spare me! Cheers
P.S This car is in two halves after being wrapped around a powerpole,killing 5 of the 6 occupants.As fate would have it,the survivor was the driver.
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 01:55:23 PM
Answer: Why of course, blood clots and heart problems they are the pitfalls. IDIOT.
Your reference to vehicle accidents has no relevance to the vaccines and I am sick of it being trotted out. One example would be, you know and can control (in a lot of cases) the dangers of being on the road. With the vaccines you don't know (for sure) all the side effects and cannot control any of them. Except the one decision to have or not to have.
FYI: I am one of the haves.
Anyway, that was not what I was discussing.
You have called a lot of people idiots on this forum and I for one do not like it. Nasty, Nasty person.
Another untested vaccine? Where in the world do you get this rubbish.
In the UK, blood clots have occurred in people taking the AstraZeneca vaccine at a rate of roughly one in every 250,000, whereas blood clots caused by the pill are estimated to affect one in every 1,000 women each year.
Bloodclots?...read thishttps://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-the-contraceptive-pill-158652
-- Edited by Dicko1 on Monday 9th of August 2021 05:33:38 PM
Keep posting...Many only thought you were a clown....however now you are making it known that you are indeed a clown.
Life is a pitfall..
This may well confuse you,but referring to people in general as idiots,and calling any particular individual an idiot,are two vastly different things. "Nasty,nasty person",you say? Water off a duck's back to me,as I've been called worse things by better people. Great to see that you have had your shots,however.Very mature.Have a GREAT day.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:08:17 PM
Careful Neil,or you may well be consigned to the "Idiots" club,joining Ian (Dicko1) and I. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:05:14 PM
Ease up Yobarr...I represent that remark.....lol.
Here is an interesting article regarding vaccination rate and opening up too early...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0