Visted a new water tower site, art work of a great standard at Walla Walla yesterday, and a person was relentlessly flying his drone around and around it. Somehwat spoiled our appreciation of some great art.
Is there any " etiquette " on putting the noisy little beast to rest " while others are around ?, let alone regulations?
Did not want to get into an arguement as it was our wedding anniversary, so just left sooner than otherwise would have.( I know it was a cheap day out)
Wanda said
10:41 PM Jun 20, 2022
Yes, rules and regulations, without going into details. Depends on the siuation.
Ian
86GTS said
05:15 AM Jun 21, 2022
If it flies low near you hit for six with a big stick.
Hitting the road said
07:38 AM Jun 21, 2022
There are a lot of people who don't give a rats about others' enjoyment, or are just plain ignorant. As Roy wrote...just swat it like a pesky fly if it gets too close...
I bought a small cheap drone a few weeks ago I hope to use for some aerial photography when traveling I haven't used it yet, but am mindful of the nuisance value they can generate. Bit like jet ski's in fact...
Wanda said
08:45 AM Jun 21, 2022
Not allowed to be within 30mts of people not associated with the drone. People flying drones do have responsibilities and so they should, any problems take any details and report them to the authority, CASA, I think! Drones can be fun also, "most" do the right thing, just need to be cautious and respectful especially when other people are around. Like wise, just because YOU don't like drones, give the person a break if they are doing the right thing.
I was accosted in WA, by some bimbo elected to confront me, I was doing the right thing(flying at 100mts) and respectful of those around, she decided she just did'nt want me doing it. It was up for 10mins, took a few pics and landed, but no the fun police thought otherwise. She was politely told to disappear! Ian
PS : All states have different rules and regulations as the where you can and can't fly, some "require" registration, at no cost. Check before you fly!
-- Edited by Wanda on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 08:49:29 AM
-- Edited by Wanda on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 08:55:54 AM
deverall11 said
09:09 AM Jun 21, 2022
We successfully generated a bunch of individuals who have a sense of entitlement.
"It' all about me" brigade. Not easy to deal with unless you are prepared to use
physical force. Reporting the act to someone is the right thing to do but they would
require identifiable information which you may not have and may not be able to get.
Swat it like a fly is the most effective and bird brain gets to home with a broken toy.
Another annoyance. Subject different but the outcome has some similarities when
you get a irresponsible RV dealer selling someone a caravan to big and heavy for
the towing vehicle. Does he/she hold the sale? No. Does the seller of drones take
steps to insure the buyer will do the right thing? No.
Wanda said
10:17 AM Jun 21, 2022
Well thats really going to help the situation isn't it, NOT, a little bit of violence, really!
You seem to have a very twisted view on how to settle disputes.
Violence is not the answer to all our woes!
Ian
rgren2 said
10:48 AM Jun 21, 2022
Wanda wrote:
Well thats really going to help the situation isn't it, NOT, a little bit of violence, really! You seem to have a very twisted view on how to settle disputes. Violence is not the answer to all our woes! Ian
Im with you on this.
peter67 said
11:28 AM Jun 21, 2022
I think the yanks go about solving the drone problem in the correct manner, anything within shotgun range is a fair target.
Wanda said
11:53 AM Jun 21, 2022
rgren2 wrote:
Wanda wrote:
Well thats really going to help the situation isn't it, NOT, a little bit of violence, really! You seem to have a very twisted view on how to settle disputes. Violence is not the answer to all our woes! Ian
Im with you on this.
Thanks, nice to not get smashed for a change(not from you), just saying
There is enough violence in our lives at the moment without adding to it, hey!!
Ian
Wanda said
11:55 AM Jun 21, 2022
peter67 wrote:
I think the yanks go about solving the drone problem in the correct manner, anything within shotgun range is a fair target.
Just what we need in Australia hey, more guns
Ian
yobarr said
12:00 PM Jun 21, 2022
peter67 wrote:
I think the yanks go about solving the drone problem in the correct manner, anything within shotgun range is a fair target.
X2
markf said
12:39 PM Jun 21, 2022
Craig1 wrote:
......
Is there any " etiquette " on putting the noisy little beast to rest " while others are around ?, let alone regulations?
......
There are LOTS of regulations governing what you can fly, what permits / licences you need, where you can fly and when, etc. The CASA web site has enough reading to keep you going for quite a while... Once you have digested the regs and guidelines that apply to you and you only fly the drone as permitted you'll likely not annoy anyone.
Etiquette is however another question. Anyone can go and buy a drone and fly it without bothering with accreditation or drone registration. Some people will, inevitably, just go and fly it without a concern in the world and probably annoy, or worse, others.
There have been suggestions of "Swat it like a fly is the most effective and bird brain gets to go home with a broken toy" . Don't. You leave yourself open to all sorts of legal strife and charges. Best bet is to get a car rego or something and report it to CASA and they'll deal with it.
And yes, I own and fly a drone.
-- Edited by markf on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 12:40:27 PM
Wanda said
12:59 PM Jun 21, 2022
markf wrote:
Craig1 wrote:
......
Is there any " etiquette " on putting the noisy little beast to rest " while others are around ?, let alone regulations?
......
There are LOTS of regulations governing what you can fly, what permits / licences you need, where you can fly and when, etc. The CASA web site has enough reading to keep you going for quite a while... Once you have digested the regs and guidelines that apply to you and you only fly the drone as permitted you'll likely not annoy anyone.
Etiquette is however another question. Anyone can go and buy a drone and fly it without bothering with accreditation or drone registration. Some people will, inevitably, just go and fly it without a concern in the world and probably annoy, or worse, others.
There have been suggestions of "Swat it like a fly is the most effective and bird brain gets to go home with a broken toy" . Don't. You leave yourself open to all sorts of legal strife and charges. Best bet is to get a car rego or something and report it to CASA and they'll deal with it.
And yes, I own and fly a drone.
-- Edited by markf on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 12:40:27 PM
Correct!
A lot of chest pumping going on here by some
cheers
ian
86GTS said
02:20 PM Jun 21, 2022
We had one buzzing around us for ages when camping in the Kimberley, it drove us bl**dy bonkers. I felt like shoving it up the owners clacka'.
deverall11 said
06:19 PM Jun 21, 2022
86GTS wrote:
We had one buzzing around us for ages when camping in the Kimberley, it drove us bl**dy bonkers. I felt like shoving it up the owners clacka'.
Now remember what Wanda said: No violence
Ivan 01 said
07:40 PM Jun 21, 2022
As with the actions of so many people today, many have no respect for others.
Drones are a tool used for invasion of privacy by those of dubious reason and the use and sale of these units needs to be restricted and monitored a lot closer than what they are at the moment,
So when we have one flying over our back yard we phone CASA,
Once again no thought has gone into this.
How quick is CASA going to despatch someone to investigate.? I would suggest nowhere near quick enough to facilitate anyone being apprehended,
Some may operate with etiquette but many will be operating under the *I am entitled so stuff anyone else rule*
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 07:41:18 PM
Wanda said
08:06 PM Jun 21, 2022
Gee, the fun police are out in force tonight
Ian
KevinJ said
09:12 AM Jun 22, 2022
Try the Potato gun as mentioned in Sulphur-crested c0ckatoos - how to make them go away? in the General section.
Its a multi purpose tool which can be used on nasty neighbours, road rage incidents, screaming kids. What more can you think of?
Ivan 01 said
11:20 AM Jun 22, 2022
Talking to a bloke this morning and he called them,
*A Perverts Periscope*
Apparently some low life was flying one over his neighbours backyard while she was out there hanging washing.
I said that the operator was probably *casing the joint*
The mind really boggles as to how many purposes relating to illegal practices these drones could be used for, not withstanding that it is illegal to fly them over others private property without appropriate permission.
Wanda said
02:07 PM Jun 22, 2022
I seriously doubt any drone flyers give a rats tossbag about someone hanging out washing! Drones can be fun to fly and take some interesting photos, a different perspective to normal, especially when out bush, fantastic. Just remember all you happy people, most people do the right thing, there will always be a small minority, in all forms of entertainment/life, that does'nt!
cheers and keep smiling, you might actually feel better! Ian
-- Edited by Webmaster on Thursday 23rd of June 2022 06:25:25 AM
markf said
02:22 PM Jun 22, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Talking to a bloke this morning and he called them,
*A Perverts Periscope*
Apparently some low life was flying one over his neighbours backyard while she was out there hanging washing.
I said that the operator was probably *casing the joint*
The mind really boggles as to how many purposes relating to illegal practices these drones could be used for, not withstanding that it is illegal to fly them over others private property without appropriate permission.
There are many, many reasons for flying a drone over private property without asking permission as long as the correct accreditation is held. eg. Local govt. surveying for pools installed without a permit, checking pool fencing, long grass fire hazard, power companies surveying pole-top equipment, law enforcement, and the list goes on.
All I'm saying is don't assume a drone is being flown by some nutter. It may well be a perfectly legal flight or someone just doing their job.
It's my view that sales should be restricted to properly accredited people. Hard to enforce given e-bay, buy swap and sell groups, etc.
And CASA are out there. I was out doing a survey for illegal pools and pool fencing when a couple of people came to me and asked to see my accreditation after showing me their CASA accreditation. No problem.
-- Edited by markf on Wednesday 22nd of June 2022 02:23:07 PM
Ivan 01 said
02:36 PM Jun 22, 2022
In the incident I mentioned above the man of the house went out into the street to question the operator and he packed up and left.
No credentials apparently. But I dont know as I was only being told as to what happened.
By the way the incident was also posted by others on the local town FaceBook community page so I tend to believe what had been reported.
landy said
09:55 PM Jun 22, 2022
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams. Landy
markf said
01:26 AM Jun 23, 2022
landy wrote:
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams. Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.
dorian said
06:28 AM Jun 23, 2022
Would a jammer bring a drone down? What happens if the operator loses control?
In the incident I mentioned above the man of the house went out into the street to question the operator and he packed up and left.
No credentials apparently. But I dont know as I was only being told as to what happened.
By the way the incident was also posted by others on the local town FaceBook community page so I tend to believe what had been reported.
You say no credentials, it could just be that the house owner was so irrate that the drone flyer just thought it best/safer to get the hell out.
Lets face we have all been in situations when you know its just not worth(or safer) hanging about to explain, SOME people JUST DON"T(or won't) LISTEN.
Ian
Kebbin said
09:02 AM Jun 23, 2022
Drone operators have a line of sight operating area if they cannot see there drone without aids they are illegal, anothe law is that all drones over 250g must be registered with CASA. Registration is free for drones under 500g.
Ivan 01 said
09:09 AM Jun 23, 2022
It appears that there are a number of folk on here that seem to think that a drone flying over their back yard is quite acceptable.
When the operator leaves when approached and others from the same area report seeing the drone above or near their properties then as the title of this topic asks,
No, there doesnt appear to be much etiquette from some drone operators.
They are a great method for filming subjects in a legal and polite manner but in the wrong hands their use and the intent of the operator is at the least, dubious.
Wanda said
09:53 AM Jun 23, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
It appears that there are a number of folk on here that seem to think that a drone flying over their back yard is quite acceptable.
When the operator leaves when approached and others from the same area report seeing the drone above or near their properties then as the title of this topic asks,
No, there doesnt appear to be much etiquette from some drone operators.
They are a great method for filming subjects in a legal and polite manner but in the wrong hands their use and the intent of the operator is at the least, dubious.
Not quite sure who on here actually said that its OK to fly over "peoples back yards", but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn to get the outcome your looking for, hey!!
Line three, probably are correct, sadly while a human (probably male) is doing ANYTHING there will always be the ODD one out, its called life!
Lifes a bitch hey if this is causing you so much grief Ivan
Visted a new water tower site, art work of a great standard at Walla Walla yesterday, and a person was relentlessly flying his drone around and around it. Somehwat spoiled our appreciation of some great art.
Is there any " etiquette " on putting the noisy little beast to rest " while others are around ?, let alone regulations?
Did not want to get into an arguement as it was our wedding anniversary, so just left sooner than otherwise would have.( I know it was a cheap day out)
Ian
I bought a small cheap drone a few weeks ago I hope to use for some aerial photography when traveling I haven't used it yet, but am mindful of the nuisance value they can generate. Bit like jet ski's in fact...
Not allowed to be within 30mts of people not associated with the drone.
People flying drones do have responsibilities and so they should, any problems take any details and report them to the authority, CASA, I think!
Drones can be fun also, "most" do the right thing, just need to be cautious and respectful especially when other people are around.
Like wise, just because YOU don't like drones, give the person a break if they are doing the right thing.
I was accosted in WA, by some bimbo elected to confront me, I was doing the right thing(flying at 100mts) and respectful of those around, she decided she just did'nt want me doing it. It was up for 10mins, took a few pics and landed, but no the fun police thought otherwise.
She was politely told to disappear!
Ian
PS : All states have different rules and regulations as the where you can and can't fly, some "require" registration, at no cost. Check before you fly!
-- Edited by Wanda on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 08:49:29 AM
-- Edited by Wanda on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 08:55:54 AM
"It' all about me" brigade. Not easy to deal with unless you are prepared to use
physical force. Reporting the act to someone is the right thing to do but they would
require identifiable information which you may not have and may not be able to get.
Swat it like a fly is the most effective and bird brain gets to home with a broken toy.
Another annoyance. Subject different but the outcome has some similarities when
you get a irresponsible RV dealer selling someone a caravan to big and heavy for
the towing vehicle. Does he/she hold the sale? No. Does the seller of drones take
steps to insure the buyer will do the right thing? No.
You seem to have a very twisted view on how to settle disputes.
Violence is not the answer to all our woes!
Ian
Im with you on this.
Thanks, nice to not get smashed for a change(not from you), just saying
There is enough violence in our lives at the moment without adding to it, hey!!
Ian
Just what we need in Australia hey, more guns
Ian
X2
There are LOTS of regulations governing what you can fly, what permits / licences you need, where you can fly and when, etc. The CASA web site has enough reading to keep you going for quite a while...
Once you have digested the regs and guidelines that apply to you and you only fly the drone as permitted you'll likely not annoy anyone.
Etiquette is however another question. Anyone can go and buy a drone and fly it without bothering with accreditation or drone registration. Some people will, inevitably, just go and fly it without a concern in the world and probably annoy, or worse, others.
There have been suggestions of "Swat it like a fly is the most effective and bird brain gets to go home with a broken toy" . Don't. You leave yourself open to all sorts of legal strife and charges. Best bet is to get a car rego or something and report it to CASA and they'll deal with it.
And yes, I own and fly a drone.
-- Edited by markf on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 12:40:27 PM
Correct!
A lot of chest pumping going on here by some
cheers
ian
Now remember what Wanda said: No violence
As with the actions of so many people today, many have no respect for others.
Drones are a tool used for invasion of privacy by those of dubious reason and the use and sale of these units needs to be restricted and monitored a lot closer than what they are at the moment,
So when we have one flying over our back yard we phone CASA,
Once again no thought has gone into this.
How quick is CASA going to despatch someone to investigate.?
I would suggest nowhere near quick enough to facilitate anyone being apprehended,
Some may operate with etiquette but many will be operating under the *I am entitled so stuff anyone else rule*
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Tuesday 21st of June 2022 07:41:18 PM
Gee, the fun police are out in force tonight
Ian
Try the Potato gun as mentioned in Sulphur-crested c0ckatoos - how to make them go away? in the General section.
Its a multi purpose tool which can be used on nasty neighbours, road rage incidents, screaming kids. What more can you think of?
*A Perverts Periscope*
Apparently some low life was flying one over his neighbours backyard while she was out there hanging washing.
I said that the operator was probably *casing the joint*
The mind really boggles as to how many purposes relating to illegal practices these drones could be used for, not withstanding that it is illegal to fly them over others private property without appropriate permission.
I seriously doubt any drone flyers give a rats tossbag about someone hanging out washing!
Drones can be fun to fly and take some interesting photos, a different perspective to normal, especially when out bush, fantastic.
Just remember all you happy people, most people do the right thing, there will always be a small minority, in all forms of entertainment/life, that does'nt!
cheers and keep smiling, you might actually feel better!
Ian
-- Edited by Webmaster on Thursday 23rd of June 2022 06:25:25 AM
There are many, many reasons for flying a drone over private property without asking permission as long as the correct accreditation is held. eg. Local govt. surveying for pools installed without a permit, checking pool fencing, long grass fire hazard, power companies surveying pole-top equipment, law enforcement, and the list goes on.
All I'm saying is don't assume a drone is being flown by some nutter. It may well be a perfectly legal flight or someone just doing their job.
It's my view that sales should be restricted to properly accredited people. Hard to enforce given e-bay, buy swap and sell groups, etc.
And CASA are out there. I was out doing a survey for illegal pools and pool fencing when a couple of people came to me and asked to see my accreditation after showing me their CASA accreditation. No problem.
-- Edited by markf on Wednesday 22nd of June 2022 02:23:07 PM
No credentials apparently. But I dont know as I was only being told as to what happened.
By the way the incident was also posted by others on the local town FaceBook community page so I tend to believe what had been reported.
Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.
Would a jammer bring a drone down? What happens if the operator loses control?
https://aerocorner.com/blog/what-frequency-drones-use/
You say no credentials, it could just be that the house owner was so irrate that the drone flyer just thought it best/safer to get the hell out.
Lets face we have all been in situations when you know its just not worth(or safer) hanging about to explain, SOME people JUST DON"T(or won't) LISTEN.
Ian
When the operator leaves when approached and others from the same area report seeing the drone above or near their properties then as the title of this topic asks,
No, there doesnt appear to be much etiquette from some drone operators.
They are a great method for filming subjects in a legal and polite manner but in the wrong hands their use and the intent of the operator is at the least, dubious.
Not quite sure who on here actually said that its OK to fly over "peoples back yards", but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn to get the outcome your looking for, hey!!
Line three, probably are correct, sadly while a human (probably male) is doing ANYTHING there will always be the ODD one out, its called life!
Lifes a bitch hey if this is causing you so much grief Ivan
Ian