Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.
Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.
Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers
Rob Driver said
07:45 PM Jan 16, 2022
No argument on your view of the hitch yobarr
The air ride type hitch is advantageous on trucks towing light weight caravans and trailers.
I am not sure that this gen y unit will be as useful and I would not fit it to any Aussie ute.
iana said
08:03 PM Jan 16, 2022
Thanks for that, so it works on torsion with rubber bushes (I presume), I won't be getting one that's for sure.
Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.
Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.
Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers
Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.
Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.
Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.
Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers
Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.
**** your a stirrer.
oldbloke said
10:13 PM Jan 16, 2022
Well, "massive" is a very vugue statement. Length looks no different to any std WDH to me.
If we are going to make statements like above IMO it needs to be "measurable".
So, what is "massive"?
Are We Lost said
12:27 AM Jan 17, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
Well, "massive" is a very vugue statement. Length looks no different to any std WDH to me.
If we are going to make statements like above IMO it needs to be "measurable".
So, what is "massive"?
Really? You can see it weighs heaps. I could not see any weight specs but I would guess over 40kg. And the ball is a significantly long way back, far more than any WDH I know of. Again, no measurements available but I would say it would be over 400mm. This substantially increases leverage effect, thus more rear axle load and lighter front end. So it does the opposite of a WDH. What a horrible design.
But what is it for? How does it work? I had a look at the website. Not a single mention on what it is intended to achieve other than giving a smoother ride. Can you imagine how negligible that would be?
And the images on the home page .... what?? On all the photos the text panel covers what you want to look at. Was this website set up as a primary school project? What were they thinking?
But putting website and hitch design issues aside, there is something far worse. Does anyone see any fitment problems here? I can see several in this one photo. With that level of expertise on display how could anyone possibly have any faith in this organisation?
Want to have a go at the problems visible before I post what I see?
Thanks Stephen (Are we lost) for pointing out what is obvious to any person with an understanding of physics.Because I am presently working long hours on the Road Train,I couldn't be bothered explaining my previous posts,so thankyou.Cheers
PeterD said
07:44 AM Jan 17, 2022
oldbloke wrote:
Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.
A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Jaahn said
08:28 AM Jan 17, 2022
Hmm a marketers dream
An answer to a problem no-one knew they had. Put a fancy video up and no details is sure to get the punter in. I bet it is "cheap" too.
The initial presentation being covered by the text is a bit of an over site, we hope it was not covering up something
The increase in the ball position rearwards will be the most serious defect IMHO.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Monday 17th of January 2022 08:29:38 AM
Rob Driver said
09:56 AM Jan 17, 2022
As explained by our *Red Neck Buddy* in this vid, you can add a WDH to this apparatus.
It is all very confusing.
Anyway here is 4 1/2 minutes of your time you will never get back.
When I posted the photo a few posts back I said there were a few glaring errors.
Maybe things are more relaxed in the good old USA, so possibly accepted there. But probably illegal here. What I saw:
Chains not crossed over
Chains would allow drawbar to drag on the ground if the coupling became detached
Snap hooks instead of shackles
Breakaway cable attached to the chain, not the tow vehicle
Then, looking at that very solid and reinforced drawbar (must be a very heavy trailer), the chains look very lightweight in comparison and bolted to the underside of the drawbar.
I thought well only 4.5 minutes, then I thought, I have seen 2 hours of NOVax, I am not wasting any more time
A wise man..
yobarr said
05:39 PM Jan 17, 2022
PeterD wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.
A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 17th of January 2022 08:00:41 PM
PeterD said
11:15 PM Jan 17, 2022
yobarr wrote:
PeterD wrote: A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.
PeterD,
You are wasting your time. He is an ex-spirt at putting words in other peoples mouths inorder to make out how good he is.
I think he gots his kicks pissing people off. Next we will hear how fantastic his LC is. Very predictable.
What he will not mention is that the upgrade he did to the LC is just an attempt to make it do something that it was never designed to to. You see if it was designed to do it, the up grade would not be necessary would it?
Oh, and of course he will say the document you attached is missleading. Why, well because TBW never changes. Lol.
yobarr said
06:15 PM Jan 18, 2022
PeterD wrote:
yobarr wrote:
PeterD wrote: A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again.
You wrote that the bars of a WDH provide an "uplift force".What is this force,and where do you suggest this "uplift force" is applied,if not to the towball?
If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out.
Hmmmm. I would be most interested to learn where any of my "assertions on weight are way out."
The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well.
I said that although 100kg is removed from the rear axle,the NETT effect is only to remove 40kg because the WDH itself applied 60kg to the car's rear axle as soon as it was fitted.(100-60=40kg nett)
Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.
Hi Peter.This "chart" keeps appearing with monotonous regularity,reposted by perhaps well-intentioned people with little idea of weights.As I have explained many times,it has been printed like this to simplify things as much as possible,so that newbies get a basic idea when they start looking at the universal cure-all of a WDH. Suggesting that towball weight is zero totally confuses those with little understanding.Many hours I have spent on this forum clearly explaining how a WDH actually does work,and I have been supported in my assertions by those among us who DO understand weights,such as Montie and Kevin Jut,who has developed a flash calculator to assist people with their weight calculations. Because I am presently working long hours driving roadtrains I cannot find time to search my own records,but I have explained at length,and indisputably,how a WDH works,and why a car should ALWAYS be AT LEAST 10% heavier than the van it is towing.These are a few of my previous posts on the subject,but they should help you to understand thatva WDH does NOT change towball weight. Never has, Never will.If you care to use the "search" feature at top of page,you may be able to find some of my detailed explanations? For your information,the HR WDH that now lives in the back of my shed weighs in excess of 35kg,including bars,chains and tensioner,plus the handle to apply tension to the bars.I hope this helps you understand,but if not,I will spend time on my first day off trying to find more information from my previous postings on the topic.Many people who strongly disagreed with me initially have now come to understand that, when it comes to weights,I do know what I'm talking about,and they have accepted that a WDH makes the car lighter and the van heavier,but TOWBALL WEIGHT DOES NOT CHANGE.PMs from some members have confirmed that they now understand this.However,it seems that some people are intellectually challenged and do not,can not,or will not learn. You can take a horse to water,but you can't make it drink. C'est la vie. Cheers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 09:13:33 PM
PeterD wrote: A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.
So, apart from all the other crap quoted, the red underlined bit says it all. A WDH can help distribute weight around!!!
If you are hundreds of kg underweight and not worried about a 40kg hitch turning into 60-70kg on the back axle, a WDH is a perfect tool for levelling a rig up.
Chris you have to remember not everyone is running close to max like you have stated in the past, some travel very light in their tugs and do not worry about towball weight.
Just give it a rest with the anti-WDH rant everytime it comes up, some of us have been using them for years.
PeterD wrote: A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.
Hi Bob
So, apart from all the other crap quoted, the red underlined bit says it all. A WDH can help distribute weight around!!
Reply:- Please would you be kind enough to point out to us "the other crap" as all I have posted is factual information,useful to both newbies who wish to learn,and old blokes who are pig-headedly set in their ways.
If you are hundreds of kg underweight and not worried about a 40kg hitch turning into 60-70kg on the back axle, a WDH is a perfect tool for levelling a rig up.
Reply:-There is no requirement that a rig be level,unless perhaps if it has non-loadsharing suspension.Correct loading of car and van will get it level,if that concerns you.
Chris you have to remember not everyone is running close to max like you have stated in the past, some travel very light in their tugs and do not worry about towball weight.
Just give it a rest with the anti-WDH rant everytime it comes up, some of us have been using them for years.
Cheers Bob
Hi Bob.Shortly I will be down in your area if you would like to have a coffee and learn more about weights etc?
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 07:57:54 PM
Bobdown said
08:42 PM Jan 18, 2022
PeterD wrote:
A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where
Hi Bob So, apart from all the other crap quoted, the red underlined bit says it all. A WDH can help distribute weight around!!
Reply:- Please would you be kind enough to point out to us "the other crap" as all I have posted is factual information,useful to both newbies who wish to learn,and old blokes who are pig-headedly set in their ways.
The other crap is all the stuff with a crayon drawn all over it and Peter D is not a newbie and you are pig headed in your opposition to a WDH and LC200 series. Why are they for sale?
If you are hundreds of kg underweight and not worried about a 40kg hitch turning into 60-70kg on the back axle, a WDH is a perfect tool for levelling a rig up.
Reply:-There is no requirement that a rig be level,unless perhaps if it has non-loadsharing suspension.Correct loading of car and van will get it level,if that concerns you.
Level is better, is it not?
Chris you have to remember not everyone is running close to max like you have stated in the past, some travel very light in their tugs and do not worry about towball weight.
Just give it a rest with the anti-WDH rant everytime it comes up, some of us have been using them for years.
Cheers Bob
So no comment about you running close to your stated limit?
Hi Bob.Shortly I will be down in your area if you would like to have a coffee and learn more about weights etc?
You are welcome, as is any Grey Nomad to drop in here, that is if you can get your Road train through a 14ft gate, we have 12 acres to park your Rig.
Now back to the Big bash and some more neck oil.
Cheers Bob
iana said
09:57 PM Jan 18, 2022
Hey Guys, how about easing up, I just wanted to know about a "Gen Y Hitch" the rest is irrelevant.
Dougwe said
06:36 AM Jan 19, 2022
I'm with you Ian. Hope you are well and avoiding the germs.
I have kept out of this thread due to the usual Xspurts butting in but noticed your last reply and thought I would say my little bit. I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved however, very heavy looking, adding a lot of unnecessary weight to the rig IMO. I would rather change to a DO35 set up or maybe even a McHitch (I leave my self open for the Xspurts with the McH though). With my style of travel etc I will stick with my old fashion 50mm ball set up.
Keep Safe on the roads and out there.
Gundog said
10:50 AM Jan 19, 2022
Dougwe wrote:
I'm with you Ian. Hope you are well and avoiding the germs.
I have kept out of this thread due to the usual Xspurts butting in but noticed your last reply and thought I would say my little bit. I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved however, very heavy looking, adding a lot of unnecessary weight to the rig IMO. I would rather change to a DO35 set up or maybe even a McHitch (I leave my self open for the Xspurts with the McH though). With my style of travel etc I will stick with my old fashion 50mm ball set up.
Keep Safe on the roads and out there.
I'm with you Dougwe 50mm ball does the job for me, with the mandatory WDH.
iana said
11:02 AM Jan 19, 2022
Hi Dougwe,
So much knowledge on here, its a pity to see the threads degenerate into personal squabbles. The bad thing is that readers will be unlikely to put up posts, and we need more posts. So many forums hardly get any movement, and we don't want to see that here. Everyone loves a rousing debate, but the contributors need to learn to bend a little, and perhaps no be so loud.
I find now I don't reply to (many or any) posts now, as it becomes the same old, same old. Facebook is becoming a more attractive platform for me.
I did post this question for general knowledge, I could have researched myself, so I guess I am the guilty one.
Us, we have stopped being full time on the road, and have brought a Life Style village house in Mandurah WA. Looking at selling our van and buying a smaller one so we can comply with the weights and balance issues.
I do think I am getting itchy feet again though.
Are We Lost said
11:59 AM Jan 19, 2022
Dougwe, you said ...
"I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved".
What am I missing? I looked again but find it difficult to see much of a benefit. Sure it would dampen the bumps a little. But the arms that allow movement are very short and as far as I can see would only reduce movement of the drawbar by 10-15mm at the most. Back at the caravan body the difference would be very small. So, how would this help?
Dougwe said
12:21 PM Jan 19, 2022
The way I saw it Stephen is with the little bit of movement in hitch they are trying to take some of the pressure away from tow bar and tow vehicle in general. It's very little movement though that I could see. Just the way I saw it. Maybe I saw it all wrong. Never mind, I won't be getting one anyway.
On Facebook, they're talking about a "Gen Y hitch", what is it, apart from extending the tow ball further back, I can't see any thing special.
Here it is.
http://www.genyhitch.com.au/
Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.
Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Sunday 16th of January 2022 07:20:53 PM
Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers
The air ride type hitch is advantageous on trucks towing light weight caravans and trailers.
I am not sure that this gen y unit will be as useful and I would not fit it to any Aussie ute.
Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.
**** your a stirrer.
If we are going to make statements like above IMO it needs to be "measurable".
So, what is "massive"?
Really? You can see it weighs heaps. I could not see any weight specs but I would guess over 40kg. And the ball is a significantly long way back, far more than any WDH I know of. Again, no measurements available but I would say it would be over 400mm. This substantially increases leverage effect, thus more rear axle load and lighter front end. So it does the opposite of a WDH. What a horrible design.
But what is it for? How does it work? I had a look at the website. Not a single mention on what it is intended to achieve other than giving a smoother ride. Can you imagine how negligible that would be?
And the images on the home page .... what?? On all the photos the text panel covers what you want to look at. Was this website set up as a primary school project? What were they thinking?
But putting website and hitch design issues aside, there is something far worse. Does anyone see any fitment problems here? I can see several in this one photo. With that level of expertise on display how could anyone possibly have any faith in this organisation?
Want to have a go at the problems visible before I post what I see?
I see now. Does look long. I wonder how much? Yeh hooks not allowed but probably an overseas pic.
Thanks Stephen (Are we lost) for pointing out what is obvious to any person with an understanding of physics.Because I am presently working long hours on the Road Train,I couldn't be bothered explaining my previous posts,so thankyou.Cheers
A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hmm a marketers dream
An answer to a problem no-one knew they had. Put a fancy video up and no details is sure to get the punter in. I bet it is "cheap" too.
The initial presentation being covered by the text is a bit of an over site, we hope it was not covering up something
The increase in the ball position rearwards will be the most serious defect IMHO.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Monday 17th of January 2022 08:29:38 AM
As explained by our *Red Neck Buddy* in this vid, you can add a WDH to this apparatus.
It is all very confusing.
Anyway here is 4 1/2 minutes of your time you will never get back.
https://youtu.be/sMaE8XElYTU
When I posted the photo a few posts back I said there were a few glaring errors.
Maybe things are more relaxed in the good old USA, so possibly accepted there. But probably illegal here. What I saw:
Then, looking at that very solid and reinforced drawbar (must be a very heavy trailer), the chains look very lightweight in comparison and bolted to the underside of the drawbar.
I thought well only 4.5 minutes, then I thought, I have seen 2 hours of NOVax, I am not wasting any more time
A wise man..
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 17th of January 2022 08:00:41 PM
Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.
Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.
You are wasting your time. He is an ex-spirt at putting words in other peoples mouths inorder to make out how good he is.
I think he gots his kicks pissing people off. Next we will hear how fantastic his LC is. Very predictable.
What he will not mention is that the upgrade he did to the LC is just an attempt to make it do something that it was never designed to to. You see if it was designed to do it, the up grade would not be necessary would it?
Oh, and of course he will say the document you attached is missleading. Why, well because TBW never changes. Lol.
Hi Peter.This "chart" keeps appearing with monotonous regularity,reposted by perhaps well-intentioned people with little idea of weights.As I have explained many times,it has been printed like this to simplify things as much as possible,so that newbies get a basic idea when they start looking at the universal cure-all of a WDH. Suggesting that towball weight is zero totally confuses those with little understanding.Many hours I have spent on this forum clearly explaining how a WDH actually does work,and I have been supported in my assertions by those among us who DO understand weights,such as Montie and Kevin Jut,who has developed a flash calculator to assist people with their weight calculations. Because I am presently working long hours driving roadtrains I cannot find time to search my own records,but I have explained at length,and indisputably,how a WDH works,and why a car should ALWAYS be AT LEAST 10% heavier than the van it is towing.These are a few of my previous posts on the subject,but they should help you to understand thatva WDH does NOT change towball weight. Never has, Never will.If you care to use the "search" feature at top of page,you may be able to find some of my detailed explanations? For your information,the HR WDH that now lives in the back of my shed weighs in excess of 35kg,including bars,chains and tensioner,plus the handle to apply tension to the bars.I hope this helps you understand,but if not,I will spend time on my first day off trying to find more information from my previous postings on the topic.Many people who strongly disagreed with me initially have now come to understand that, when it comes to weights,I do know what I'm talking about,and they have accepted that a WDH makes the car lighter and the van heavier,but TOWBALL WEIGHT DOES NOT CHANGE.PMs from some members have confirmed that they now understand this.However,it seems that some people are intellectually challenged and do not,can not,or will not learn. You can take a horse to water,but you can't make it drink. C'est la vie. Cheers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 09:13:33 PM
So, apart from all the other crap quoted, the red underlined bit says it all. A WDH can help distribute weight around!!!
If you are hundreds of kg underweight and not worried about a 40kg hitch turning into 60-70kg on the back axle, a WDH is a perfect tool for levelling a rig up.
Chris you have to remember not everyone is running close to max like you have stated in the past, some travel very light in their tugs and do not worry about towball weight.
Just give it a rest with the anti-WDH rant everytime it comes up, some of us have been using them for years.
Cheers Bob
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 07:57:54 PM
PeterD wrote:
A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.
Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers
Hey Guys, how about easing up, I just wanted to know about a "Gen Y Hitch" the rest is irrelevant.
I have kept out of this thread due to the usual Xspurts butting in but noticed your last reply and thought I would say my little bit. I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved however, very heavy looking, adding a lot of unnecessary weight to the rig IMO. I would rather change to a DO35 set up or maybe even a McHitch (I leave my self open for the Xspurts with the McH though). With my style of travel etc I will stick with my old fashion 50mm ball set up.
Keep Safe on the roads and out there.
I'm with you Dougwe 50mm ball does the job for me, with the mandatory WDH.
So much knowledge on here, its a pity to see the threads degenerate into personal squabbles. The bad thing is that readers will be unlikely to put up posts, and we need more posts. So many forums hardly get any movement, and we don't want to see that here. Everyone loves a rousing debate, but the contributors need to learn to bend a little, and perhaps no be so loud.
I find now I don't reply to (many or any) posts now, as it becomes the same old, same old. Facebook is becoming a more attractive platform for me.
I did post this question for general knowledge, I could have researched myself, so I guess I am the guilty one.
Us, we have stopped being full time on the road, and have brought a Life Style village house in Mandurah WA. Looking at selling our van and buying a smaller one so we can comply with the weights and balance issues.
I do think I am getting itchy feet again though.
"I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved".
What am I missing? I looked again but find it difficult to see much of a benefit. Sure it would dampen the bumps a little. But the arms that allow movement are very short and as far as I can see would only reduce movement of the drawbar by 10-15mm at the most. Back at the caravan body the difference would be very small. So, how would this help?