I've been doing some reading on the psychological characteristics of people susceptible to conspiracy theories, interesting stuff, I had a feeling there would be common characteristics and this certainly seems to be the case.
There's an enormous amount of reading material available, most of it echoing similar sentiments.
It's seems that in times of crisis (Covid 19, US election) people are more likely to embrace conspiracy theories.
"Conspiracy theorists typically:
tend to have a little less education.
more often live in societies that have less successful democracies, which influences trust in others and in the authorities.
belong to groups that feel they should have more power and influence.
belong to special political organizations or religious groups a little more often.
more often use intuition - their "gut feeling" - when making decisions.
see connections more often than most people do, also where such connections do not exist, and they are more likely to see intention as the cause of events.
are a little more narcissistic and paranoid than others.
more often obtain their information from social media."
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:11:56 PM
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:12:56 PM
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 08:48:45 AM
rgren2 said
12:50 PM Aug 3, 2021
more often use intuition - their "gut feeling" - when making decisions.
Slightly OT, but we do have another brain in our gut.
Its a common expression, widely understood by most.
And for the few that don't,
Gut feeling:
Meaning. a personal, intuitive feeling. an instinctive feeling, without any logical rationale. an intuition about something.
Hope that helps.
rgren2 said
01:13 PM Aug 3, 2021
That I knew, its only recently I found out about the gut brain.
Mike Harding said
02:34 PM Aug 3, 2021
Whilst I think it important to reject the concept the Earth is being run by Martians selectively implanted amongst us and similar things it is a fact that sometimes conspiracy theories have some validity... as Richard Nixon discovered.
Or do you, Santa, reject every conspiracy theory out of hand?
vince56 said
02:47 PM Aug 3, 2021
AND the theme relevant to Caravanning here is .................
Santa said
02:58 PM Aug 3, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
Whilst I think it important to reject the concept the Earth is being run by Martians selectively implanted amongst us and similar things it is a fact that sometimes conspiracy theories have some validity... as Richard Nixon discovered.
Or do you, Santa, reject every conspiracy theory out of hand?
What I'm saying is there is something in the psychological make up of conspiracy theorists that makes them receptive to whatever lunacy is presented to them without any rational thought or investigation, if its on the interweb thing it must be true.
rgren2 said
03:12 PM Aug 3, 2021
vince56 wrote:
AND the theme relevant to Caravanning here is .................
General discussion. Lotsa stuff here that has nothing to do with caravans. Just a gut feeling.
Eaglemax said
03:20 PM Aug 3, 2021
rgren2 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
AND the theme relevant to Caravanning here is .................
General discussion. Lotsa stuff here that has nothing to do with caravans. Just a gut feeling.
Yeh, the moral police are active already
I found some people are simply anti Govt. Anti vaccinations, anti climate change, anti everything.
One friend is anti vaccinations "you don't know what you put in your body". As he puff away at 40 cigs a day.
Tony
Tony Bev said
03:26 PM Aug 3, 2021
In my opinion
I believe that a gut feeling can go either way, depending on previous knowledge, you already had
To take just one conspiracy theory, that President Kennedy was not killed by Oswald, working on his own
Back in that time I was a teenager, living in England
I had a gun, (210 shotgun), and was an invited friend of a member, of a local gun club, so I knew just a little about guns
They had found the gun, which was suppose to have been used, to kill the President, and had not yet picked up Oswald
A man, (supposed to be high up in the British military), came on the English telly, with the same brand of gun, that had been found
This expert claimed, that this type of gun was known as a "Saturday night special"
It was not known to be able to shoot, the amount of bullets, in that time frame, at a moving target, very accurately
The official verdict is that President Kennedy, was shot by Oswald, who was working alone
My gut feeling, tells me that this is wrong, due to the type of gun, which was supposed to have been used
rgren2 said
03:52 PM Aug 3, 2021
had a gun, (210 shotgun), an
I have a gut feeling that it was a 410 shotgun.
Tony Bev said
04:25 PM Aug 3, 2021
rgren2 wrote:
had a gun, (210 shotgun), an
I have a gut feeling that it was a 410 shotgun.
You are correct rgren, I should have gone to specsavers, or at least, read what was written before posting
It was about 58 years ago, yes a 410 shot gun
peter67 said
06:11 PM Aug 3, 2021
rgren2 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
AND the theme relevant to Caravanning here is .................
General discussion. Lotsa stuff here that has nothing to do with caravans. Just a gut feeling.
I like it!! good humour. The .410 is the only shotgun bore to be listed as a rifle/handgun calibre re bore dia, all the rest are by balls to the pound of lead.
Tony Bev as far as I'm aware the only firearm referred to as a friday or saturday night special (americanism) is the snub nosed .38 Special revolver.
oldbloke said
06:29 PM Aug 3, 2021
Santa wrote:
I've been doing some reading on the psychological characteristics of people susceptible to conspiracy theories, interesting reading, I had a feeling there would be common characteristics and this certainly seems to be the case.
There's an enormous amount of reading material available, most of it echoing similar sentiments.
It's interesting that in times of crisis (Covid 19, US election) people are more likely to embrace conspiracy theories.
"Conspiracy theorists typically:
tend to have a little less education.
more often live in societies that have less successful democracies, which influences trust in others and in the authorities.
belong to groups that feel they should have more power and influence.
belong to special political organizations or religious groups a little more often.
more often use intuition - their "gut feeling" - when making decisions.
see connections more often than most people do, also where such connections do not exist, and they are more likely to see intention as the cause of events.
are a little more narcissistic and paranoid than others.
more often obtain their information from social media."
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:11:56 PM
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:12:56 PM
You forgot Gullible
Tony Bev said
06:30 PM Aug 3, 2021
Hi Peter (Peter 67)
I am sure that the expert on the telly, said something about it was available as a cheap mail order rifle
I could be wrong, but I thought that he did mention something, about it being a Saturday night special
I suppose he was trying to point out, that there were more expensive rifles, that were a lot more accurate, than the rifle he had in his hands
Santa said
06:52 PM Aug 3, 2021
It was a 6.5 mm ex Italian military Mannlicher-Carcano with a scope sight, reputed to be reasonably accurate, accurate enough obviously.
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 06:54:30 PM
Santa said
06:57 PM Aug 3, 2021
oldbloke wrote:
You forgot Gullible
Guess that pretty much goes without saying.
Brodie Allen said
08:52 AM Aug 4, 2021
Go here for interesting reading re the Kennedy assassination:
Have to smile, here we are directed to a site dedicated to promoting the crazy idea's of conspiracy theorists.
All grist for the mill.
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 09:47:09 AM
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 09:48:46 AM
vince56 said
10:38 AM Aug 4, 2021
Apologies all, the last few lines of my attempt at humour didn't eventuate, it was supposed to be a call on gut feelings in the caravan world.
Eaglemax said
12:26 PM Aug 4, 2021
vince56 wrote:
Apologies all, the last few lines of my attempt at humour didn't eventuate, it was supposed to be a call on gut feelings in the caravan world.
Sorry too mate, didnt realise it was in humour. Thanks and have a good day.
Tony
Bicyclecamper said
03:52 PM Aug 4, 2021
Their was a conspiracy going around in our local council elections, that a dog had been put up to run in the election. Now the story goes, in info after the election that the dog got 216 votes. The possibly soon to be council persons name was written down as his initial only, so it was M. My Name. Now they wanted to known his first name, so it was put in as Milo. My Name. No one clicked and the day of the election he won 216 votes, he was 56 votes shy of being elected. His ticket was freedom for dogs, To stop being known as being in ownership of a said owner, so to be an independent dog in their own right, That dogs must be cared for properly, that is fed and housed appropriately, and the right to run free on the towns ovals. And that cats have to be registered, and not allowed to run free at all. This last one was he doesn't really like cats, so wanted them hobbled. It was only found out on election day that Milo was a dog. It just tells you who could possibly be elected into council or govt. Most of his voters were in agreement about cats.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 04:05:14 PM
msg said
08:27 PM Aug 5, 2021
How's this for a conspiracy theory. Someone asked elsewhere about why Canberra has no cases of COVID. Parliament is sitting ATM thats why.
So, I suppose that there won't be any until thats over. Then Canberra will succumb. Couldn't inconvenience the pollies and hangers on. Imagine if they were forced to lock down?
Lockdown will wait until they have all gone back to their respective states. Just a hypothetical.
landy said
09:08 PM Aug 5, 2021
Eaglemax wrote:
rgren2 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
AND the theme relevant to Caravanning here is .................
General discussion. Lotsa stuff here that has nothing to do with caravans. Just a gut feeling.
Yeh, the moral police are active already
I found some people are simply anti Govt. Anti vaccinations, anti climate change, anti everything.
One friend is anti vaccinations "you don't know what you put in your body". As he puff away at 40 cigs a day.
Is it true? the martians aren't here? hey what about Harold Holt and the moon landing are they conspiracies too? yeah there are some pretty weird people out there that's for sure, but if I didn't look in the mirror maybe I wouldn't see them ;) I did almost wet my pants about the dog almost making council, probably would have been the most honest too!
Sarco Harris said
08:55 PM Aug 7, 2021
Santa wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Whilst I think it important to reject the concept the Earth is being run by Martians selectively implanted amongst us and similar things it is a fact that sometimes conspiracy theories have some validity... as Richard Nixon discovered.
Or do you, Santa, reject every conspiracy theory out of hand?
What I'm saying is there is something in the psychological make up of conspiracy theorists that makes them receptive to whatever lunacy is presented to them without any rational thought or investigation, if its on the interweb thing it must be true.
Hmmmm, Just like the link in the original post.
Just saying
-- Edited by Sarco Harris on Saturday 7th of August 2021 08:55:47 PM
yobarr said
08:59 PM Aug 7, 2021
Santa wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Whilst I think it important to reject the concept the Earth is being run by Martians selectively implanted amongst us and similar things it is a fact that sometimes conspiracy theories have some validity... as Richard Nixon discovered.
Or do you, Santa, reject every conspiracy theory out of hand?
What I'm saying is there is something in the psychological make up of conspiracy theorists that makes them receptive to whatever lunacy is presented to them without any rational thought or investigation, if its on the interweb thing it must be true.
X2 Well said. Cheers
chappy said
10:14 PM Aug 8, 2021
An interesting show on SBS tonight the history of guns! I'm not a gun owner but the program is informative.
Mike Harding said
06:36 AM Aug 9, 2021
chappy wrote:
An interesting show on SBS tonight the history of guns! I'm not a gun owner but the program is informative.
I've been doing some reading on the psychological characteristics of people susceptible to conspiracy theories, interesting stuff, I had a feeling there would be common characteristics and this certainly seems to be the case.
For those who would like to read more here is a link to the article i am quoting https://www.technologynetworks.com/neuroscience/news/these-are-the-most-common-traits-of-conspiracy-theorists-345553
There's an enormous amount of reading material available, most of it echoing similar sentiments.
It's seems that in times of crisis (Covid 19, US election) people are more likely to embrace conspiracy theories.
"Conspiracy theorists typically:
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:11:56 PM
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 12:12:56 PM
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 08:48:45 AM
Slightly OT, but we do have another brain in our gut.
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/the-brain-gut-connection
Its a common expression, widely understood by most.
And for the few that don't,
Gut feeling:
Meaning. a personal, intuitive feeling. an instinctive feeling, without any logical rationale. an intuition about something.
Hope that helps.
Whilst I think it important to reject the concept the Earth is being run by Martians selectively implanted amongst us and similar things it is a fact that sometimes conspiracy theories have some validity... as Richard Nixon discovered.
Or do you, Santa, reject every conspiracy theory out of hand?
What I'm saying is there is something in the psychological make up of conspiracy theorists that makes them receptive to whatever lunacy is presented to them without any rational thought or investigation, if its on the interweb thing it must be true.
General discussion. Lotsa stuff here that has nothing to do with caravans.
Just a gut feeling.
Yeh, the moral police are active already
I found some people are simply anti Govt. Anti vaccinations, anti climate change, anti everything.
One friend is anti vaccinations "you don't know what you put in your body". As he puff away at 40 cigs a day.
Tony
I believe that a gut feeling can go either way, depending on previous knowledge, you already had
To take just one conspiracy theory, that President Kennedy was not killed by Oswald, working on his own
Back in that time I was a teenager, living in England
I had a gun, (210 shotgun), and was an invited friend of a member, of a local gun club, so I knew just a little about guns
They had found the gun, which was suppose to have been used, to kill the President, and had not yet picked up Oswald
A man, (supposed to be high up in the British military), came on the English telly, with the same brand of gun, that had been found
This expert claimed, that this type of gun was known as a "Saturday night special"
It was not known to be able to shoot, the amount of bullets, in that time frame, at a moving target, very accurately
The official verdict is that President Kennedy, was shot by Oswald, who was working alone
My gut feeling, tells me that this is wrong, due to the type of gun, which was supposed to have been used
I have a gut feeling that it was a 410 shotgun.
You are correct rgren, I should have gone to specsavers, or at least, read what was written before posting
It was about 58 years ago, yes a 410 shot gun
I like it!! good humour. The .410 is the only shotgun bore to be listed as a rifle/handgun calibre re bore dia, all the rest are by balls to the pound of lead.
Tony Bev as far as I'm aware the only firearm referred to as a friday or saturday night special (americanism) is the snub nosed .38 Special revolver.
You forgot Gullible
I am sure that the expert on the telly, said something about it was available as a cheap mail order rifle
I could be wrong, but I thought that he did mention something, about it being a Saturday night special
I suppose he was trying to point out, that there were more expensive rifles, that were a lot more accurate, than the rifle he had in his hands
It was a 6.5 mm ex Italian military Mannlicher-Carcano with a scope sight, reputed to be reasonably accurate, accurate enough obviously.
-- Edited by Santa on Tuesday 3rd of August 2021 06:54:30 PM
Guess that pretty much goes without saying.
www.wanttoknow.info/assassinations/kennedy/kennedy-assassination-jfk-rfk
Plenty about the gun here.
Have to smile, here we are directed to a site dedicated to promoting the crazy idea's of conspiracy theorists.
All grist for the mill.
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 09:47:09 AM
-- Edited by Santa on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 09:48:46 AM
Sorry too mate, didnt realise it was in humour. Thanks and have a good day.
Tony
Their was a conspiracy going around in our local council elections, that a dog had been put up to run in the election. Now the story goes, in info after the election that the dog got 216 votes. The possibly soon to be council persons name was written down as his initial only, so it was M. My Name. Now they wanted to known his first name, so it was put in as Milo. My Name. No one clicked and the day of the election he won 216 votes, he was 56 votes shy of being elected. His ticket was freedom for dogs, To stop being known as being in ownership of a said owner, so to be an independent dog in their own right, That dogs must be cared for properly, that is fed and housed appropriately, and the right to run free on the towns ovals. And that cats have to be registered, and not allowed to run free at all. This last one was he doesn't really like cats, so wanted them hobbled. It was only found out on election day that Milo was a dog. It just tells you who could possibly be elected into council or govt. Most of his voters were in agreement about cats.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Wednesday 4th of August 2021 04:05:14 PM
So, I suppose that there won't be any until thats over. Then Canberra will succumb. Couldn't inconvenience the pollies and hangers on. Imagine if they were forced to lock down?
Lockdown will wait until they have all gone back to their respective states. Just a hypothetical.
-- Edited by Sarco Harris on Saturday 7th of August 2021 08:55:47 PM
X2 Well said. Cheers
An interesting show on SBS tonight the history of guns! I'm not a gun owner but the program is informative.
I may even sacrifice some bandwidth to watch it:
The Guns that Changed the Game
Yeh, watched it. Not much new. Dramatised a bit. But will watch again next week.