CMCA granted a five-year lease on the Bundaberg disused showgrounds
rockylizard said
09:27 AM Apr 2, 2018
Gday...
"Council has supplied the site to CMCA at an annual cost of $16,500," Cr Dempsey said. "CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site. This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping." Cr Dempsey explained that the showgrounds would be turned into a self-contained RV park and initially allow a maximum of 50 RVs on the site. A lawn locker, a concrete slab and shelter and some signage should complete the infrastructure requirements. An onsite caretaker will be responsible for overseeing the park activities. Vehicle owners will need to comply with CMCAs self-contained vehicle policy, said Cr Sommerfeld.
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 2nd of April 2018 11:16:25 AM
wal1 said
10:05 AM Apr 2, 2018
Geez Rock, the article is dated August 2017 hardly fresh news.
Wal
rockylizard said
11:17 AM Apr 2, 2018
Gday...
sorry Wal ... updated link provided.
Cheers - John
Very happy camper said
02:22 PM Apr 2, 2018
Thank God for the CMCA
Chris61 said
02:48 PM Apr 2, 2018
Have they announced when it will open yet. I plan to stay there for a couple of days in July to check it out
rockylizard said
02:58 PM Apr 2, 2018
Gday...
A cuppla pics of the area to be the CMCA camp.
I think CMCA will be charging a nominal fee - I believe $10/night is what they mention at other sites they are developing.
This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
brickies said
03:00 PM Apr 2, 2018
Before long we may all be controlled by CMCA and not be allowed to be a member
the rocket said
03:14 PM Apr 2, 2018
Brickies, what do u mean?
the rocket said
03:15 PM Apr 2, 2018
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
A cuppla pics of the area to be the CMCA camp.
I think CMCA will be charging a nominal fee - I believe $10/night is what they mention at other sites they are developing.
This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
Is this per vehicle or per person. Also, will there b electricity, toilets, showers for that price or will that b extra?
rockylizard said
03:24 PM Apr 2, 2018
the rocket wrote:
I think CMCA will be charging a nominal fee - I believe $10/night is what they mention at other sites they are developing.
This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
Is this per vehicle or per person. Also, will there b electricity, toilets, showers for that price or will that b extra?
Gday...
I had this in the original post -
"CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site. This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping."
... and this is in the article at the link provided -
"This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping. Cr Dempsey said the Material Change of Use of the property as a Self-contained RV Park allowed initially for a maximum of 50 vans on-site. A total of 30 conditions have been applied to the site as well as 11 advice notes."
It seems there will be the requirement for CMCA to provide "water and power access" but no mention of showers or toilets - or laundry facilities for that matter.
Given the site is available only to CMCA members who fully comply with their fully self-containment policy - why would they provide showers and toilets?
[EDIT: I am not privy to CMCA's charging policies so I cannot guess whether $10/night (if that becomes the fee) would be per person or per vehicle. Indeed, it may not be $10/night ... it could be $5 ... or even $15. Only CMCA will know.
It should also be noted that "Council has supplied the site to CMCA at an annual cost of $16,500 (GST included). CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site." CMCA will either have to carry that cost out of accumulated funds or recoup that each year to cover their costs ... or CMCA members will be footing the bill some other way.]
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 2nd of April 2018 03:31:08 PM
jules47 said
03:45 PM Apr 2, 2018
I think you will find it is $10 per vehicle per night, which is not bad. There will also not likely to be toilets or showers, or laundry - as they say SELF CONTAINED, which all CMCA camps are via their rules.
Thanks -for posting John! Hope you didn't eat too many Easter Eggs -
They seem to be taking running in working with local council to set up camping site , What pressure will be put on council to stop free camping in the area , CMCA will be park owners when CMCA set up low cost camp at Casino it didn't turn out to be low cost .
daffyfrancis said
05:42 PM Apr 2, 2018
Hi Jules,
CMCA camp site fees are all $3 per person per night & are for members only with self contained rigs - membership fees are $44 a year per couple + a once off $16 joining fee - Check out their website or facebook page for details off all other benefits
David
PeterD said
11:38 PM Apr 2, 2018
rockylizard wrote:This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
I did not read the article that way. I did not see any mention of it only being available to CMCA members. Let's see what transpires.
Bill B said
07:42 AM Apr 3, 2018
PeterD wrote:
rockylizard wrote:This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
I did not read the article that way. I did not see any mention of it only being available to CMCA members. Let's see what transpires.
CMCA RV Parks are for CMCA member's use only.
FRom CMCA website :
CMCA RV Parks: Managed accommodation facilities providing low cost, no frills accommodation for members with self-contained vehicles in a safe and relaxed environment.
rockylizard said
07:47 AM Apr 3, 2018
PeterD wrote:
rockylizard wrote:This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
I did not read the article that way. I did not see any mention of it only being available to CMCA members. Let's see what transpires.
Gday...
Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post the link to the article from which I have taken this quote....
QUEENSLAND'S Bundaberg Regional Council has moved a step further in having an RV-Friendly site in the Rum City.
The news comes after the "outstanding success" of the Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australias National Rally in Bundaberg last October.
The council has announced it has now completed all formalities in granting the CMCA a five-year lease on the city's disused showgrounds precinct.
But only CMCA members will be able to use the park, prompting complaints from caravanners and other travellers.
"This land belongs to the people and it seems so unfair that only a select few will be able to overnight there," Queensland grey nomad Fred Taylor commented.
"It should be available for all travellers, CMCA members or not."
Mayor Jack Dempsey said the RV club had been the only group to register an expression of interest to establish an RV-Friendly site when it was advertised early last year.
Because of not being allowed to provide a link to the source of the above quote on this forum, I searched the internet for other articles I was allowed to post here. The other news articles did not contain any quote or comment from other 'travellers' on this initiative.
Cheers - John
Cupie said
03:35 PM Apr 3, 2018
Sounds like a good initiative by CMCA for their members.
If there are enough benefits like this then perhaps joining up might be worthwhile.
BTW ..
1. what is their definition of self contained. eg must a grey tank be permanently installed or does a tank on wheels qualify.
2. What sort of links are prohibited in posts to this forum (perhaps I might need to look at the rules again).
edit 1 .. Might be this rule ..
"Posts are not to be used for the sole purpose (however well disguised) of promoting other websites or forums, or advertising products or services. Posts deemed to have breached this guideline will be removed."
edit 2 (In answer to my point 1) From CMCA ... Looks like portable or 'Tote' tanks are OK. I just got one of those. They are right about the imported ones fittings not being compatible .. Just downloaded CMCA documents giving detailed instructions on how to connect tote tank in a compliant fashion. Hurrah!
"To assist our members who struggled with the original criteria to drain their grey water to an on-board fitted grey water tank it was decided to include the use of external (non-fitted) grey water tanks which are commonly referred to as totes. Tote tanks are commercially manufactured for the collection and transfer of grey water to waste disposal points such as dump points and sullage points in commercial parks and camp sites. They range in price from $50.00 to $150.00 and many of our members have already purchased such units. In most instances these units are imported and the setup and or fittings are not readily compatible or adaptable with Australian RV fittings and connections."
PS. I just googled 'CMCA Self Contained Vehicle Policy' and got all the relevant detailed & well written 'common sense' policies. Impressive.
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 3rd of April 2018 03:44:27 PM
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 3rd of April 2018 04:14:07 PM
msg said
03:44 PM Apr 3, 2018
Still doesn't beat a free camp. They cost, and you are still packed in like a caravan park with few amenities. $10 is expensive for a bit of water. Just giving councils an excuse to close down free camps.
Cupie said
04:26 PM Apr 3, 2018
msg wrote:
Still doesn't beat a free camp. They cost, and you are still packed in like a caravan park with few amenities. $10 is expensive for a bit of water. Just giving councils an excuse to close down free camps.
Must say that I tend to agree. Though we are not yet experienced in free camps.
After 20 years of using CPs we are just starting out on this 'free' 'bush' camping bit.
We tried out an Eco camp up near Kenilworth recently & we were rather disappointed. Paid up about $10 pp pd from memory. Just for a nicely grassed & mown paddock with a creek running around 2 sides. Nothing else ( no water or power) & we had to take all black & grey water with us. Firewood was $12 a milk crate full. We would have been better off in the front yard of my Son's acreage property in the Brissy suburbs.
We'll eventually find the type of camp that suits us.
Bugsy said
11:02 AM Apr 7, 2018
I must say I am constantly surprised how much misinformation gets published of various forums/Facebook etc.
Firstly I am a CMCA member, part of the National Member Services Team and currently overseeing the construction to the Bundaberg CMCA RV Park. We have nothing to hide so here are some facts.
Our parks are available to members as a member benefit and you must have a self contained vehicle which conforms to the requirements as listed on the club website. Not hard to comply but no exceptions allowed.
The parks will be part of chain of parks across the country, we have three operational, with another three nearing completion and several others in the pipe line. They do not just happen overnight.
Members will pay $3 per person per night, there will be a custodian on site and each site will provide, parking, water, a dump point, garbage removal and a shelter shed for gatherings etc.
The sites are fully funded by the club with no costs to councils or ratepayers. We have budgeted $2m for the initial part of the plan.
No power will be available on site except for the volunteer custodian (member) as all vehicle will be self contained.
You can stay for a max of 5 days in any 21 day period.
This particular site is located 200m from a major shopping complex, doctors, chemists etc and easy walking distance to the main street.
The photos above are not part of the site, the gateway shown is actually heritage listed and being relocated elsewhere.The park is however close by to these photos.
This project is a member benefit for members just like any other club that provides exclusive member benefits and all the adverse comment about not being allowed to join and being "controlled" and excluding others is just, well you can work that out.
Very happy camper said
11:55 AM Apr 7, 2018
Hello Bugsy
Thanks for that information.
Conquester said
07:19 AM Apr 8, 2018
Thanks from me too Bugsy. The CMCA is doing an amazing job for its members. Looking forward to more of these types of parks.
Cupie said
11:56 AM Apr 8, 2018
Yes, I tend to agree with the previous posters & were I on the road more often I might even consider joining.
BTW ... Bugsy, do caravan owning members (Associates) have full (voting) rights yet. If not is there any likelyhood of a move in that direction in the near future?
You may wish to provide argument to support or remove any differentiation. edit 1 .. I suppose that you would have to publicly support the Board's view as expressed in the link which seems to answer my question.
Edit 1 ..
This link gives among other things, a view by The Board on Ordinary (voting) & Associate Members. I was taken back a bit by, to me, the rather autocratic statement 'This will not change'.
second edit .. (I'll just have to get my act together before posting) In re reading the statement it might just refer to the impact of the proposed constitutional changes.
-- Edited by Cupie on Sunday 8th of April 2018 12:11:03 PM
-- Edited by Cupie on Sunday 8th of April 2018 12:15:59 PM
Very happy camper said
03:15 PM Apr 8, 2018
No doubt Bugsy will come and answer you question some time soon.
My hope is that the Associate Members will never have a vote. That is how it is with Associate Members of the CMCA.
This is a fairly normal situation in Clubs and Organisations that have Associate Membership.
I have no problem with Associate Members having the benefits ( except voting rights ). This allows the CMCA to get extra funds which in turn , provideextra benefits to members and often non-members.
Will it ever change ? Who can say what will happen in the future.
Are there plans afoot to bring this change about soon? Not that I am aware of.
As they say If it aint broke , dont fix it
Cupie said
04:06 PM Apr 8, 2018
Very happy camper wrote:
No doubt Bugsy will come and answer you question some time soon.
My hope is that the Associate Members will never have a vote.That is how it is with Associate Members of the CMCA.
This is a fairly normal situation in Clubs and Organisations that have Associate Membership.
I have no problem with Associate Members having the benefits ( except voting rights ). This allows the CMCA to get extra funds which in turn , provideextra benefits to members and often non-members.
Will it ever change ? Who can say what will happen in the future.
Are there plans afoot to bring this change about soon? Not that I am aware of.
As they say If it aint broke , dont fix it
Why do you 'hope is that the Associate Members will never have a vote.'
That's the question that I wanted an answer to.
They pay the same fees don't they? Just don't have a motorhome. Vast majority won't vote (like current full members) so it's all academic I suppose.
Very happy camper said
04:54 PM Apr 8, 2018
No thanks Cuppie, I will let this one go through to the keeper
Cupie said
05:38 PM Apr 8, 2018
Very happy camper wrote:
No thanks Cuppie, I will let this one go through to the keeper
Yes, I think that I'll give it a miss too.
Very happy camper said
05:57 PM Apr 8, 2018
Thanks Cuppie and cheers and all the best from me to you
Santa said
07:05 PM Apr 8, 2018
If you allow associate/social members of any club/organisation to vote there is a potential for them to outnumber members with full voting rights, mount a campaign and vote in changes that are not in the best interests of full members, I've seen it happen, a club (with a poorly worded constitution) we were members of allowed associate members a vote, at a meeting the social members at the gathering outnumbered the full members, one of them moved the club be wound up, and that's exactly what happened, even though the active full members opposed the move.
Associate members usually enjoy most of the rights of a full member, at a reduced fee, except for voting rights, exactly as it should be.
Bello said
06:51 AM Apr 9, 2018
Can anyone from CMCA tell me the differance between a 5th Wheeler and a Caravan ?
Seems to me both are towed by a seperate vehicle, one owner can be a full member of CMCA and the other can't.
I have never been able to get an answer from CMCA.
Gday...
"Council has supplied the site to CMCA at an annual cost of $16,500," Cr Dempsey said.
"CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site. This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping."
Cr Dempsey explained that the showgrounds would be turned into a self-contained RV park and initially allow a maximum of 50 RVs on the site.
A lawn locker, a concrete slab and shelter and some signage should complete the infrastructure requirements. An onsite caretaker will be responsible for overseeing the park activities.
Vehicle owners will need to comply with CMCAs self-contained vehicle policy, said Cr Sommerfeld.
Read the amended link here
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 2nd of April 2018 11:16:25 AM
Geez Rock, the article is dated August 2017 hardly fresh news.
Wal
Gday...
Cheers - John
Thank God for the CMCA
Gday...
A cuppla pics of the area to be the CMCA camp.
I think CMCA will be charging a nominal fee - I believe $10/night is what they mention at other sites they are developing.
This site is only available to CMCA members with fully self-contained rigs.
Cheers - John
Brickies, what do u mean?
Is this per vehicle or per person. Also, will there b electricity, toilets, showers for that price or will that b extra?
Gday...
I had this in the original post -
"CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site. This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping."
... and this is in the article at the link provided -
"This includes development approvals, dump point, water and power access, construction of an onsite shed, signage inclusive of park rules, fencing, security gate and landscaping.
Cr Dempsey said the Material Change of Use of the property as a Self-contained RV Park allowed initially for a maximum of 50 vans on-site.
A total of 30 conditions have been applied to the site as well as 11 advice notes."
It seems there will be the requirement for CMCA to provide "water and power access" but no mention of showers or toilets - or laundry facilities for that matter.
Given the site is available only to CMCA members who fully comply with their fully self-containment policy - why would they provide showers and toilets?
[EDIT: I am not privy to CMCA's charging policies so I cannot guess whether $10/night (if that becomes the fee) would be per person or per vehicle. Indeed, it may not be $10/night ... it could be $5 ... or even $15. Only CMCA will know.
It should also be noted that "Council has supplied the site to CMCA at an annual cost of $16,500 (GST included). CMCA will be responsible for costs associated with developing the site." CMCA will either have to carry that cost out of accumulated funds or recoup that each year to cover their costs ... or CMCA members will be footing the bill some other way.]
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Monday 2nd of April 2018 03:31:08 PM
I think you will find it is $10 per vehicle per night, which is not bad. There will also not likely to be toilets or showers, or laundry - as they say SELF CONTAINED, which all CMCA camps are via their rules.
Thanks -for posting John! Hope you didn't eat too many Easter Eggs -
Hi Jules,
CMCA camp site fees are all $3 per person per night & are for members only with self contained rigs - membership fees are $44 a year per couple + a once off $16 joining fee - Check out their website or facebook page for details off all other benefits
David
I did not read the article that way. I did not see any mention of it only being available to CMCA members. Let's see what transpires.
CMCA RV Parks are for CMCA member's use only.
FRom CMCA website :
CMCA RV Parks: Managed accommodation facilities providing low cost, no frills accommodation for members with self-contained vehicles in a safe and relaxed environment.
Gday...
Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post the link to the article from which I have taken this quote....
QUEENSLAND'S Bundaberg Regional Council has moved a step further in having an RV-Friendly site in the Rum City.
The news comes after the "outstanding success" of the Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australias National Rally in Bundaberg last October.
The council has announced it has now completed all formalities in granting the CMCA a five-year lease on the city's disused showgrounds precinct.
But only CMCA members will be able to use the park, prompting complaints from caravanners and other travellers.
"This land belongs to the people and it seems so unfair that only a select few will be able to overnight there," Queensland grey nomad Fred Taylor commented.
"It should be available for all travellers, CMCA members or not."
Mayor Jack Dempsey said the RV club had been the only group to register an expression of interest to establish an RV-Friendly site when it was advertised early last year.
Because of not being allowed to provide a link to the source of the above quote on this forum, I searched the internet for other articles I was allowed to post here. The other news articles did not contain any quote or comment from other 'travellers' on this initiative.
Cheers - John
Sounds like a good initiative by CMCA for their members.
If there are enough benefits like this then perhaps joining up might be worthwhile.
BTW ..
1. what is their definition of self contained. eg must a grey tank be permanently installed or does a tank on wheels qualify.
2. What sort of links are prohibited in posts to this forum (perhaps I might need to look at the rules again).
edit 1 .. Might be this rule ..
"Posts are not to be used for the sole purpose (however well disguised) of promoting other websites or forums, or advertising products or services. Posts deemed to have breached this guideline will be removed."
edit 2 (In answer to my point 1) From CMCA ... Looks like portable or 'Tote' tanks are OK. I just got one of those. They are right about the imported ones fittings not being compatible .. Just downloaded CMCA documents giving detailed instructions on how to connect tote tank in a compliant fashion. Hurrah!
"To assist our members who struggled with the original criteria to drain their grey water to an on-board fitted grey water tank it was decided to include the use of external (non-fitted) grey water tanks which are commonly referred to as totes. Tote tanks are commercially manufactured for the collection and transfer of grey water to waste disposal points such as dump points and sullage points in commercial parks and camp sites. They range in price from $50.00 to $150.00 and many of our members have already purchased such units. In most instances these units are imported and the setup and or fittings are not readily compatible or adaptable with Australian RV fittings and connections."
PS. I just googled 'CMCA Self Contained Vehicle Policy' and got all the relevant detailed & well written 'common sense' policies. Impressive.
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 3rd of April 2018 03:44:27 PM
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 3rd of April 2018 04:14:07 PM
Must say that I tend to agree. Though we are not yet experienced in free camps.
After 20 years of using CPs we are just starting out on this 'free' 'bush' camping bit.
We tried out an Eco camp up near Kenilworth recently & we were rather disappointed. Paid up about $10 pp pd from memory. Just for a nicely grassed & mown paddock with a creek running around 2 sides. Nothing else ( no water or power) & we had to take all black & grey water with us. Firewood was $12 a milk crate full. We would have been better off in the front yard of my Son's acreage property in the Brissy suburbs.
We'll eventually find the type of camp that suits us.
Firstly I am a CMCA member, part of the National Member Services Team and currently overseeing the construction to the Bundaberg CMCA RV Park. We have nothing to hide so here are some facts.
Our parks are available to members as a member benefit and you must have a self contained vehicle which conforms to the requirements as listed on the club website. Not hard to comply but no exceptions allowed.
The parks will be part of chain of parks across the country, we have three operational, with another three nearing completion and several others in the pipe line. They do not just happen overnight.
Members will pay $3 per person per night, there will be a custodian on site and each site will provide, parking, water, a dump point, garbage removal and a shelter shed for gatherings etc.
The sites are fully funded by the club with no costs to councils or ratepayers. We have budgeted $2m for the initial part of the plan.
No power will be available on site except for the volunteer custodian (member) as all vehicle will be self contained.
You can stay for a max of 5 days in any 21 day period.
This particular site is located 200m from a major shopping complex, doctors, chemists etc and easy walking distance to the main street.
The photos above are not part of the site, the gateway shown is actually heritage listed and being relocated elsewhere.The park is however close by to these photos.
This project is a member benefit for members just like any other club that provides exclusive member benefits and all the adverse comment about not being allowed to join and being "controlled" and excluding others is just, well you can work that out.
Hello Bugsy
Thanks for that information.
Thanks from me too Bugsy. The CMCA is doing an amazing job for its members. Looking forward to more of these types of parks.
Yes, I tend to agree with the previous posters & were I on the road more often I might even consider joining.
BTW ... Bugsy, do caravan owning members (Associates) have full (voting) rights yet. If not is there any likelyhood of a move in that direction in the near future?
You may wish to provide argument to support or remove any differentiation. edit 1 .. I suppose that you would have to publicly support the Board's view as expressed in the link which seems to answer my question.
Edit 1 ..
This link gives among other things, a view by The Board on Ordinary (voting) & Associate Members. I was taken back a bit by, to me, the rather autocratic statement 'This will not change'.
second edit .. (I'll just have to get my act together before posting) In re reading the statement it might just refer to the impact of the proposed constitutional changes.
https://cdn.cmca.net.au/cloud/9cbed6ce-0da6-4e1f-8f91-d50466eeae9e_August8.pdf
-- Edited by Cupie on Sunday 8th of April 2018 12:11:03 PM
-- Edited by Cupie on Sunday 8th of April 2018 12:15:59 PM
No doubt Bugsy will come and answer you question some time soon.
My hope is that the Associate Members will never have a vote. That is how it is with Associate Members of the CMCA.
This is a fairly normal situation in Clubs and Organisations that have Associate Membership.
I have no problem with Associate Members having the benefits ( except voting rights ). This allows the CMCA to get extra funds which in turn , provide extra benefits to members and often non-members.
Will it ever change ? Who can say what will happen in the future.
Are there plans afoot to bring this change about soon? Not that I am aware of.
As they say If it aint broke , dont fix it
Why do you 'hope is that the Associate Members will never have a vote.'
That's the question that I wanted an answer to.
They pay the same fees don't they? Just don't have a motorhome. Vast majority won't vote (like current full members) so it's all academic I suppose.
No thanks Cuppie, I will let this one go through to the keeper
Yes, I think that I'll give it a miss too.
Thanks Cuppie and cheers and all the best from me to you
If you allow associate/social members of any club/organisation to vote there is a potential for them to outnumber members with full voting rights, mount a campaign and vote in changes that are not in the best interests of full members, I've seen it happen, a club (with a poorly worded constitution) we were members of allowed associate members a vote, at a meeting the social members at the gathering outnumbered the full members, one of them moved the club be wound up, and that's exactly what happened, even though the active full members opposed the move.
Associate members usually enjoy most of the rights of a full member, at a reduced fee, except for voting rights, exactly as it should be.
Seems to me both are towed by a seperate vehicle, one owner can be a full member of CMCA and the other can't.
I have never been able to get an answer from CMCA.