Although this post belongs in Travelling with Pets it has been repeated here to hopefully reach as many as possible. While many of us love our pets (we travel with three large dogs ourselves) many others do not. In our opinion it is the height of ignorance to bring pets into a group gathering (happy hour, communal meals, etc). In other words, if you have any consideration for your fellow travellers, leave your pets at your campsite. If this offends anyone, take a teaspoon of cement & harden up because really this post should be unnecessary.
Darrell & Sandra
-- Edited by oldboar on Friday 27th of December 2013 09:22:03 PM
Fair comment, number of times while I am out this has happened
. It does nothing but makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Cheers
Golddetectornomad said
10:17 PM Dec 27, 2013
....and I would go as far to say...sometimes it would be better if only the dog came along unaccompanied by some owners.....where I go my little Pepe goes....if he ain't welcome neither am I....he sits on my lap and just quietly judges folk...he's quite often a better judge of character than me......same with CP's if they don't want my well behaved dog then they don't want me or my Dollars so we go elsewhere.....we even took him to a flea circus once.....and he stole the show..lol....
At one happy hour one bloke said "I think your dog likes me as he hasn't taken his eyes off me".....I said that's because you're eating off his plate!......live and let live...we agree to disagree...old boar......Hoo Roo
Shogun said
11:50 PM Dec 27, 2013
I agree 100 per cent Darrell :)
yeoeleven said
07:20 AM Dec 28, 2013
I agree with Darrell and if they yap whenever someone comes near they should be left at home John
Dougwe said
07:29 AM Dec 28, 2013
Howdy Darrell and Sandra,
I tend to agree with both sides on this one, if it's a little/big dog just sitting quietly beside mum or dad not saying boo for sixpence but just checking all out and thinking why he/she can't partake in some of the fun and games, well I see no real problem. If they start being naughty then take them back to their camp. I was at one happy hour and would have liked to remove a human, mmmm, human? Maybe not the right word.
If the dog, big or little is going from one person to another licking (Yuck) and annoying people for food etc then fair call, keep them at the owners camp tied up in the shade with food and water.
From what I saw of your three mates I reckon they wouldn't even know how to hurt a flea, well maybe a wombat then, but that wouldn't be a problem cos wombats can be pesty critters. Your three were lucky enough to have you in their sites and you theirs, very well behaved and happy just sitting at their camp enjoying their own happy hour without us humans butting in. They were more than likely thinking when seeing you both, We don't know them, do we?
Keep enjoying Greens if you are still there, if not,
Dougwe said
07:31 AM Dec 28, 2013
Agree with the barking bit too John, forgot that bit.
Rip and Rosie said
08:04 AM Dec 28, 2013
Travelling dogs should be on leash and under control.
How then can they go from person to person annoying them?
All dogs bark, but a simple command should stop them.
What's your problem?
If you don't like my dogs, I can do happy hour without you, no problem.
GaryKelly said
08:15 AM Dec 28, 2013
I used to take my dog everywhere and never realized what a nuisance I was until someone brought their dog to my house.
RosieW said
09:20 AM Dec 28, 2013
If they sit quietly and behave, fine. The yappers, lickers and misbehaving ones should be left at home.
We loved our boy dearly, but would never have thought to take him to a gathering, he was just too excitable, he'd drive everyone batty. My sister's dog would just lay at her feet, so she was fine.
Gerty Dancer said
09:20 AM Dec 28, 2013
yeoeleven wrote:
I agree with Darrell and if they yap whenever someone comes near they should be left at home John
Ditto!
beiffe said
09:24 AM Dec 28, 2013
I like dogs but dont travel with one but prefer to not have them around me when I am eating etc.
I don't like dogs who jump up etc and as I have had a lot of experience with dogs the first and every time a dog attempts to jump up at me it meets my knee first.
I know some people have their pets under control but believe me it is VERY rare.
I consider there are very few dogs that can speak on command or be told to be quiet and they do till advise otherwise.
I trained dogs in obedience work and had a guard dog that I considered well trained and she was used in demonstrations etc but I think she still was taken by a bait and finished up as a meal on a ship in port (it happens a lot more than you wish to think).
Many dog owners appear to think it is OK to take little Fido for a walk and **** away from their area but forget to pick it up and then it is someone else problem as they track it into their RV.
As I normally camp away from others the problems I have with pets is not as relevant as the ones who like to camp close to others.
Love your pets and take them with you if you wish, but respect the other campers and keep your dogs under control and away from the food areas such as happy hour sites.
Perhaps a quick question before attending to gauge the feelings of the people present.
I also think that often the pet is better company than the owner.
Regards
Brian
Cloak said
09:59 AM Dec 28, 2013
To be honest I prefer dogs to kids... hahahaa
native pepper said
10:15 AM Dec 28, 2013
I wonder why people complain when they've taken up a lifestyle which is very different to what they are used to and want it to be a repeat of what they gave up in many ways. Have no idea why people always want to congregate in groups when travelling, but that's their thing increasingly. If there are more than a couple of campers we don't stop, if they have a camp fire or have happy hours, we stay in our bus. Luckily there is rarely anyone at the places we camp, so don't have to put up with what people complain of. The majority of dogs we run into, are always pretty well behaved and spent their lives on the road, instead of just a few weeks a year.
Thats' probably where the problems come in, dogs unused to life on the road and people unused to life on the road, both want what they can't really have unless they are in their own backyard. On the road is everyones backyard and especially locals, so we need to respect all aspects of the life and enjoy it as best we can.
Golddetectornomad said
11:55 AM Dec 28, 2013
We set off from home base Port Lincoln in January 2010, wife, me and pooch Pepe....nearly 4 years later we are so glad we brought our little mate.....of course he's always on a light lead even when sitting on my lap, walking etc as we realize he's a dog and not a person....same with taking a doggy doo bag when we walk....how difficult is that?...he only weighs 5Kg...they are hardly turdburgers...........and he gives us a reason for the three of us to take long walks together....he has such a doggie pedigree that if he could talk he likely wouldn't speak to either of us..lol.....I did teach him to beg and he came home with $15 once..!..lol.....does he bark..yes?..with reason..when we are in a free camp site he can hear what we cant and is an early warning sound for us...does he continue to bark?...no..not after we acknowledge his bark....
I've met some very nice folk and some not so nice folk...I've met some great well behaved quite intelligent dogs, and some who reflect their owners lack of care/attention and quite often their intelligence.....dogs can be trained, some folk can't....have you ever seen a dog behave like whoever does the disgusting things at our 'free camp' toilets and surrounds?....I havn't...yep!..I prefer our four footed friends any day.....its an unhappy hour without him.. enjoy your barkless 'happy hours' and just listen to the frightful bores......Hoo Roo
briche said
12:15 PM Dec 28, 2013
Just to put our comments in as well. We travel with two small dogs And in the main they are well behaved but that's because we train them that way. There are things that dog owners need to understand and that is that not all people like dogs and because of that they don't belong around where people meet, such as happy hours, etc. We have met many nomads who love our two small dogs but there are many who don't so it's our responsibility to respect them and their wishes.
We always ensure that those we met are happy to have our dogs around but if not they spend the time at the van Or at least on their leads. In the end it falls on all of us not to do anything or bring into an site that disrupts that site simply because we think it's alright and that of course also means picking up after them. We are just fed up with dog owners who don't.
At the end of the day it's all our responsibility to ensure that everything we do does not offend anyone we are sharing the site with. After all we all are part of the solution as well as the problem and we are charged with the role of being responsibie travelers and that not only applies to being a pet owner but in every area of our travels with like minded people wherever we find our selves.
Brian and Cheryl
-- Edited by briche on Saturday 28th of December 2013 12:18:09 PM
Dougwe said
12:18 PM Dec 28, 2013
Howdy again,
I don't have a problem with dogs REALLY. What I don't like is dogs that lick all the time and out of control because their mum and or dad don't really care about other campers. I have had dogs in the passed but due to my style of base camp (Village) I can't have a dog or cat, suits me fine but I still like dogs and cats.
I have been at Greens Lake and had two of the nicest well behaved dogs in the camp site next to me for a few weeks (hi Molly and Angel) and they would pay a visit every morning and get a cuddle but I never saw them venture any further and don't ever recall them at any happy hours, never heard them bark once in the three weeks, very well trained and behaved dogs at all times. I have been with them a couple of times since and still no problem, I actually miss them.
Unfortunately not all owners look after their animal companions and like a lot of things in life the minority spoil it for the majority.
Dougwe said
12:21 PM Dec 28, 2013
You must have been posting as I was typing Brian and we agreed on one thing as you said the same as me in your last line.
Edit.....It was there
-- Edited by Dougwe on Saturday 28th of December 2013 12:24:25 PM
Herb said
12:23 PM Dec 28, 2013
this is always a contentious topic as those of us who prefer not to have dogs around whilst camping are called windgers or animal hatters or we get the line take us and the dog or you are not worth talking to. Well I am in a free camp at the moment that is full of campers with and without dogs. I have seen several dogs attacked by others and hear barking most of the night. Very few are restrained and when you ask the owner they always say that their dog is well behaved. I have had dogs come and crap near my camp and also piss on my van wheels. To all you dogs owners who think you have special privileges in camp grounds please spare a thought for those of us who dont. I like dogs generally and have debated many an hour as to whether I get one to travel with. Keeps coming back to same decision No, because I cant guarantee it will be well behaved. I have dog sat for campers so they could go to town, I have also taken dogs back to the owners sites and tied them to their anderson plug ( large dog) and or to the drain outlet ( small dog). I normally try and coexsist with other campers, I honor their space, I am civil and enjoy a good chat or happy hour I don't run generators unless have to and I always clean up after myself. Like they say live and let live, everyone is different and agree to disagree. lol as I am writing this two dogs have just run under my awning, one male and one female, guess they not so well behaved maybe some new born on road dogs in few months.
Ontos45 said
01:22 PM Dec 28, 2013
It's easy to train a dog, its the handlers that are near impossible to train.
tezza said
01:37 PM Dec 28, 2013
your dogs belng in your homes/camps not some-one elses in my opinion
chris & terry said
02:25 PM Dec 28, 2013
"really this post should be unnecessary." Says it all really. We have been on the road full time for some time now & the major attraction is the freedom it affords. With this in mind I try to live by "live & let live". You are not required to like my dog, & I am not required to like you. If we meet happily somewhere then this is a pleasant bonus, & one of life's joys, otherwise we should agree to disagree & simply move on. Why is it creeping into the forum that some are so concerned about the actions of others? Rather than "take a teaspoon of cement", how about taking a chill pill, or just turn the key & move on to the next site. There are so many nice people & places out here we could be searching out, why be distracted by some irritations along the way.
terry
oldbobsbus said
03:24 PM Dec 28, 2013
It looks like if you own a dog then everyone should accept you and your dog....but if we don't then we should be the one that makes the changes........
....DUN THINK SO...
You want to have your dog with you then YOU be sure it isn't a bother to anyone else and if it is then best YOU move on to where your dog isn't a worry to others...
I have working/guard dogs at home and I am blown away by the number of rude people that come here with their dog and expect ME to lock MY dogs up so they dont attack their friggen dog...
I can tell you they get told quick smart to shut their dog in their car or bugga off..
Now don't get me started on smokers....
Grams said
03:34 PM Dec 28, 2013
Plus like me, the person sitting next to you while you hold your dog...might be allergic to animals. So why should we suffer, because someone insists they don't want to leave their precious behind.
Grams
chris & terry said
03:41 PM Dec 28, 2013
No you have it all wrong. You do not have to like my dog, or me. It is absolutely your prerogative. As is it mine as to who my friends are. It is a big country, room for all, but obviously not all in the same place at the same time.
terry
Delta18 said
03:56 PM Dec 28, 2013
chris & terry wrote:
"really this post should be unnecessary." Says it all really. We have been on the road full time for some time now & the major attraction is the freedom it affords. With this in mind I try to live by "live & let live". You are not required to like my dog, & I am not required to like you. If we meet happily somewhere then this is a pleasant bonus, & one of life's joys, otherwise we should agree to disagree & simply move on. Why is it creeping into the forum that some are so concerned about the actions of others? Rather than "take a teaspoon of cement", how about taking a chill pill, or just turn the key & move on to the next site. There are so many nice people & places out here we could be searching out, why be distracted by some irritations along the way.
terry
Well said, Terry!
Cheers
Lynne
Ontos45 said
05:24 PM Dec 28, 2013
Bit of an "over-kill" here . This is also posted in "Traveling with Pets" and I posted there. Always go there first to see whose winging about dogs again. Lighten up folks.
justcruisin01 said
05:30 PM Dec 28, 2013
Well behaved dogs like those of Briche are fine,uncontroled & off the leash are not.
Wife had a very large dog ran out from a camp as we walked along the road, jumped up on her with its sharp nails & opened up her thigh from her shorts to the knee , drawing blood all the way & the xyx owner thought that was ok as he was only saying g/day. Iv'e had them jump on me with mud all over them, clean clothes back in the wash.
I dont believe we should have to accept this lack of control.
Although this post belongs in Travelling with Pets it has been repeated here to hopefully reach as many as possible. While many of us love our pets (we travel with three large dogs ourselves) many others do not. In our opinion it is the height of ignorance to bring pets into a group gathering (happy hour, communal meals, etc). In other words, if you have any consideration for your fellow travellers, leave your pets at your campsite. If this offends anyone, take a teaspoon of cement & harden up because really this post should be unnecessary.
Darrell & Sandra
-- Edited by oldboar on Friday 27th of December 2013 09:22:03 PM
A calendar dog, shows the date!!
Oldboar hi
Fair comment, number of times while I am out this has happened
. It does nothing but makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Cheers
At one happy hour one bloke said "I think your dog likes me as he hasn't taken his eyes off me".....I said that's because you're eating off his plate!......live and let live...we agree to disagree...old boar......Hoo Roo
I agree with Darrell and if they yap whenever someone comes near they should be left at home John
Howdy Darrell and Sandra,
I tend to agree with both sides on this one, if it's a little/big dog just sitting quietly beside mum or dad not saying boo for sixpence but just checking all out and thinking why he/she can't partake in some of the fun and games, well I see no real problem. If they start being naughty then take them back to their camp. I was at one happy hour and would have liked to remove a human, mmmm, human? Maybe not the right word.
If the dog, big or little is going from one person to another licking (Yuck) and annoying people for food etc then fair call, keep them at the owners camp tied up in the shade with food and water.
From what I saw of your three mates I reckon they wouldn't even know how to hurt a flea, well maybe a wombat then, but that wouldn't be a problem cos wombats can be pesty critters. Your three were lucky enough to have you in their sites and you theirs, very well behaved and happy just sitting at their camp enjoying their own happy hour without us humans butting in. They were more than likely thinking when seeing you both, We don't know them, do we?
Keep enjoying Greens if you are still there, if not,
How then can they go from person to person annoying them?
All dogs bark, but a simple command should stop them.
What's your problem?
If you don't like my dogs, I can do happy hour without you, no problem.
We loved our boy dearly, but would never have thought to take him to a gathering, he was just too excitable, he'd drive everyone batty. My sister's dog would just lay at her feet, so she was fine.
Ditto!
I don't like dogs who jump up etc and as I have had a lot of experience with dogs the first and every time a dog attempts to jump up at me it meets my knee first.
I know some people have their pets under control but believe me it is VERY rare.
I consider there are very few dogs that can speak on command or be told to be quiet and they do till advise otherwise.
I trained dogs in obedience work and had a guard dog that I considered well trained and she was used in demonstrations etc but I think she still was taken by a bait and finished up as a meal on a ship in port (it happens a lot more than you wish to think).
Many dog owners appear to think it is OK to take little Fido for a walk and **** away from their area but forget to pick it up and then it is someone else problem as they track it into their RV.
As I normally camp away from others the problems I have with pets is not as relevant as the ones who like to camp close to others.
Love your pets and take them with you if you wish, but respect the other campers and keep your dogs under control and away from the food areas such as happy hour sites.
Perhaps a quick question before attending to gauge the feelings of the people present.
I also think that often the pet is better company than the owner.
Regards
Brian
Thats' probably where the problems come in, dogs unused to life on the road and people unused to life on the road, both want what they can't really have unless they are in their own backyard. On the road is everyones backyard and especially locals, so we need to respect all aspects of the life and enjoy it as best we can.
I've met some very nice folk and some not so nice folk...I've met some great well behaved quite intelligent dogs, and some who reflect their owners lack of care/attention and quite often their intelligence.....dogs can be trained, some folk can't....have you ever seen a dog behave like whoever does the disgusting things at our 'free camp' toilets and surrounds?....I havn't...yep!..I prefer our four footed friends any day.....its an unhappy hour without him.. enjoy your barkless 'happy hours' and just listen to the frightful bores......Hoo Roo
Just to put our comments in as well. We travel with two small dogs And in the main they are well behaved but that's because we train them that way. There are things that dog owners need to understand and that is that not all people like dogs and because of that they don't belong around where people meet, such as happy hours, etc. We have met many nomads who love our two small dogs but there are many who don't so it's our responsibility to respect them and their wishes.
We always ensure that those we met are happy to have our dogs around but if not they spend the time at the van Or at least on their leads. In the end it falls on all of us not to do anything or bring into an site that disrupts that site simply because we think it's alright and that of course also means picking up after them. We are just fed up with dog owners who don't.
At the end of the day it's all our responsibility to ensure that everything we do does not offend anyone we are sharing the site with. After all we all are part of the solution as well as the problem and we are charged with the role of being responsibie travelers and that not only applies to being a pet owner but in every area of our travels with like minded people wherever we find our selves.
Brian and Cheryl
-- Edited by briche on Saturday 28th of December 2013 12:18:09 PM
I don't have a problem with dogs REALLY. What I don't like is dogs that lick all the time and out of control because their mum and or dad don't really care about other campers. I have had dogs in the passed but due to my style of base camp (Village) I can't have a dog or cat, suits me fine but I still like dogs and cats.
I have been at Greens Lake and had two of the nicest well behaved dogs in the camp site next to me for a few weeks (hi Molly and Angel) and they would pay a visit every morning and get a cuddle but I never saw them venture any further and don't ever recall them at any happy hours, never heard them bark once in the three weeks, very well trained and behaved dogs at all times. I have been with them a couple of times since and still no problem, I actually miss them.
Unfortunately not all owners look after their animal companions and like a lot of things in life the minority spoil it for the majority.
You must have been posting as I was typing Brian and we agreed on one thing as you said the same as me in your last line.
Edit.....It was there
-- Edited by Dougwe on Saturday 28th of December 2013 12:24:25 PM
terry
....DUN THINK SO...
You want to have your dog with you then YOU be sure it isn't a bother to anyone else and if it is then best YOU move on to where your dog isn't a worry to others...
I have working/guard dogs at home and I am blown away by the number of rude people that come here with their dog and expect ME to lock MY dogs up so they dont attack their friggen dog...
I can tell you they get told quick smart to shut their dog in their car or bugga off..
Now don't get me started on smokers....
Grams
terry
Well said, Terry!
Cheers
Lynne
Well behaved dogs like those of Briche are fine,uncontroled & off the leash are not.
Wife had a very large dog ran out from a camp as we walked along the road, jumped up on her with its sharp nails & opened up her thigh from her shorts to the knee , drawing blood all the way & the xyx owner thought that was ok as he was only saying g/day. Iv'e had them jump on me with mud all over them, clean clothes back in the wash.
I dont believe we should have to accept this lack of control.
JC.