Watching TV the other night and some young people were asked about their favourite Christmas Carols. Amongst those named were a lot of the favourites such as Away in a manger, The first Noel and Silent Night. But one that caught my attention and mentioned by a lot of youngsters was "Jingle Bells". Now, do you think that is a Christmas Carol or are our youngsters lacking in education in this respect?
Also, have you seen Carols by Candlelight?
Terro
drongo & wendy said
08:45 AM Dec 19, 2009
Well here we go. White xmas ranks top dog with this santa maybe not a carol but will do me. If anyone gets the chance a night on the banks of the Yarra River is a great night out, every one just relaxed "Give it A GO'
ibbo said
09:41 AM Dec 19, 2009
I guess it depends if you consider that Carols have to have a religious theme,or just the joy of Xmas.I go along with White Christmas,to me it always brings back memories of Xmas when I was very young.Just Hope that we never get Rap versions of Carols.lol.Cheers.Ibbo.
Basil Faulty said
12:07 PM Dec 19, 2009
I had a session with a psychic trying to connect with an old mate who passed away without saying good by. He says he was at the pearly Gates and as it was Xmas St Peter was not letting anyone in unless they had something Xmassy with them and the best he could do was pull a pair of laies knickers out of his pocket, St Peter asked what was Xmassy about them and his rejionder was simply " They are Carols".... Oh dear....
Basil Faulty said
12:10 PM Dec 19, 2009
ibbo wrote:
I guess it depends if you consider that Carols have to have a religious theme,or just the joy of Xmas.I go along with White Christmas,to me it always brings back memories of Xmas when I was very young.Just Hope that we never get Rap versions of Carols.lol.Cheers.Ibbo.
Ibbo you are on the money there.... White Christmas is apparently the most popular song this time of year... Now on the count of 3 1,2, 3... I'm dreaming of a white Christmas Just like the ones I used to know Where the treetops glisten, and children listen To hear sleigh bells in the snow
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas With every Christmas card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Christmases be white
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas With every Christmas card I write May your days be merry and bright And may all your Christmases be white
PeterD said
12:13 PM Dec 19, 2009
Fighting over whether something is a Christmas song or a Christmas carol is of minor importance. Of more importance is the annoying, ignorant, sacrilegious term Xmas used instead of Christmas
Rolly said
12:25 PM Dec 19, 2009
PeterD wrote:
Fighting over whether something is a Christmas song or a Christmas carol is of minor importance. Of more importance is the annoying, ignorant, sacrilegious term Xmas used instead of Christmas
Not so, Peter. In the original Greek scriptures (remember that the ones that we currently read have been subject to much debate and mistranslation) the symbol "X" was frequently used as an abbreviation for Christ.
It was also used as a way of marking the houses of Christian families, both by themselves and by their persecutors, in the early days of the religion.
The "fish" symbol was, apparently, adopted by the followers of your saintly namesake in the early days of the Roman church. (Peter the fisherman, "..the rock on which I found my Church".)
Basil complained about the same thing in a previous thread; lots of people have the same misunderstanding.
Basil Faulty said
12:35 PM Dec 19, 2009
I can remeber as a school kid learning some "Australain XMAS Carols" long before Rolf Harris and his 6 white boomers viz
Early on one Christmas Day, a Joey Kanga-roo Was far from home and lost in a great big zoo Mummy, where's my mummy, they've taken her a-way We'll help you find your mummy son, hop on the sleigh
[Verse:] Up beside the bag of toys, little Joey hopped But they had'nt gone far when Santa stopped Un-harnessed all the reindeer and Joey wondered why Then he heard a far off booming in the sky
[Chorus:] Six white boomers, snow white boomers Racing Santa Claus through the blazing sun Six white boomers, snow white boomers .. On his Aus-tra-lian run
Pretty soon old Santa began to feel the heat Took his fur-lined boots off to cool his feet Into one popped Joey, feeling quite OK While those old man kangaroos kept pulling on the sleigh
Joey said to Santa, Santa, what about the toys Aren't you giving some to these girls and boys They've all got their presents son, we were here last night This trip is an extra trip, Joey's special flight
Soon the sleigh was flashing past, right over Marble Bar Slow down there, cried Santa, it can't be far Come up on my lap son, and have a look around There she is, that's mummy, bounding up and down
Well that's the bestest Christmas treat that Joey ever had Curled up in mother's pouch all snug and glad The last they saw was Santa headed northward from the sun The only year the boomers worked a double run
And who could forget Banjo Patersons "Santa in the Bush" go on admit it you have forgotten it haven't you...
It chanced out back at the Christmas time, When the wheat was ripe and tall, A stranger rode to the farmer's gate--A sturdy man and a small.
"Rin doon, rin doon, my little son Jack, and bid the stranger stay, And we'll hae a crack for Auld Lang Syne, for the morn is Christmas day."
"Nay noo, nay noo," said the dour guidwife, "But ye should let him be, He's maybe only a drover chap, From the land o' the Darling Pea."
"Wi a drovers tales, and a drover's thirst tae swiggle the hail nicht through, Or he's maybe a life assurance carle, to talk ye black and blue."
"Guidwife, he's never a drover chap for their swags are neat and thin, And he's never a life assurance carl with the brick dust burnt in his skin."
"Guidwife, guidwife, be nae sae dour---for the wheat stands ripe and tall And we shore a seven pound fleece this year, ewes and weaners and all."
"There is grass to spare and the stock are fat, where they whiles are gaunt and thin, And we owe a tithe to the travellin' poor, so we maun ask him in."
"Ye can set him a chair at table side and gie him a bite tae eat, An omelette made of a new-laid egg, or a tasty bit o' meat."
"But the native cats hae taen fowls--they havena left a leg, And he'll get nae omelette at a' till the emu lays an egg."
"Rin doon, rin doon, my little son Jack, "to whaur the emus bide, Ye shall find the auld hen on the nest while the auld **** sits beside."
"But speak them fair and speak them saft lest they kick ye a fearful jolt, Ye can gie them a feed of the half inch nails or a rusty carriage bolt."
So little son Jack ran blithely down with the rusty nails in hand, Till he came where the emus fluffed and scratched by their nest in the open sand.
And there he has gathered the new-laid egg---'twould feed 3 men or 4, And the emus came for the half inch nails right up to the settlers door.
"A waste o' food," said the dour guidwife, as she took the egg with a frown, "But he gets nae meat unless ye rin a paddy-melon down."
"Gang oot, gang oot, my little son Jack---wi your twa-three doggies sma, Gin ye come nae back wi a paddy-melon, then come nae back at a'."
So little son Jack he raced and he ran and he was bare o' the feet, And soon he captured a paddy-melon---was gorged with stolen wheat.
"Sit doon, sit doon," my bonny wee man; "to the best that the hoose can do, An omelette made o' the emu egg, and a paddy melon stew."
"'Tis well, 'tis well", said the bonny wee man, "I have eaten the wide world's meat, And the food that is given with right good will is the sweetest food to eat."
"But the night draws on to Christmas Day and I must rise and go, For I have a mighty way to ride to the land of the Esquimaux."
"And it's there I must load my sledges up with the reindeers four-in-hand, That go to the North, South, East and West---to every Christian land."
"Tae the Esquimaux," said the dour guidwife---"ye suit my husband well, For when he gets up on his journey horse he's a bit o' a liar himsel'."
Then out with a laugh went the bonny wee man--to his old horse grazing nigh, And away like a meteor flash they went far off to the Northern sky.
When the children woke on the Christmas morn, they chattered with might and main, For s sword and a gun had little son Jack, and a braw new doll had Jane, And a packet o' screws had the twa emus; but the dour guidwife got nane!
Basil Faulty said
12:44 PM Dec 19, 2009
Then just to throw some fuel on PeterD's fire what about the race of Jesus, if he really existed and was the Carpenter chappy that was crucified then he was indeed BLECK and of middle eastern appearance, not at all like the caucasian effigys one sees in Churches....
One of the other things that enrage me about this time of year is the shear hypocracy of it all, it's just an excuse to rip consumers off, prices go through the roof, and we are tempted to buy all manner of chinese Xmas stuff.... IT SUCKS...
Rolly said
12:48 PM Dec 19, 2009
Not forgotten at all, Baz, but great to be reminded of it.
Thank you.
Basil Faulty said
12:51 PM Dec 19, 2009
Rolly wrote:
The "fish" symbol was, apparently, adopted by the followers of your saintly namesake in the early days of the Roman church. (Peter the fisherman, "..the rock on which I found my Church".)
Basil complained about the same thing in a previous thread; lots of people have the same misunderstanding.
Not sure what I complained about Rolly but I'll take your word for it.... Anyway an observation if I may re the fish symbol on the rear window of cars, taken from years of practical experience. If you see this symbol on a car being driven usually by a bearded male with a hat on TAKE CARE they invariably are erratic and inconsiderate drivers who are self absorbed usually in their own little self absorbative world....
Drivers wearing Alfoil hats on the other hand are expressing their individuality and though nthey may not be TFQ will at least extend courtesy to other drivers...
Rolly said
12:51 PM Dec 19, 2009
Basil Faulty wrote:
Then just to throw some fuel on PeterD's fire what about the race of Jesus, if he really existed and was the Carpenter chappy that was crucified then he was indeed BLECK and of middle eastern appearance, not at all like the caucasian effigys one sees in Churches....
But you really shouldn't be confusing the religious faithful with facts.
Basil Faulty said
01:04 PM Dec 19, 2009
Rolly wrote:
Basil Faulty wrote:
Then just to throw some fuel on PeterD's fire what about the race of Jesus, if he really existed and was the Carpenter chappy that was crucified then he was indeed BLECK and of middle eastern appearance, not at all like the caucasian effigys one sees in Churches....
But you really shouldn't be confusing the religious faithful with facts.
As Corporal Jones would say to Captain Mainwarring, "They don't like it up em they don't!"
Basil Faulty said
01:16 PM Dec 19, 2009
And remember this Ausie Carol;
Out on the plains the brolgas are dancing Lifting their feet like war horses prancing Up to the sun the woodlarks go winging Faint in the dawn light echoes their singing Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
Down where the tree ferns grow by the river There where the waters sparkle and quiver Deep in the gullies bell-birds are chiming Softly and sweetly their lyric notes rhyming Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
Friar birds sip the nectar of flowers Currawongs chant in the wattle tree bowers In the blue ranges lorikeets calling Carols of bushbirds rising and falling Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
dave06 said
01:26 PM Dec 19, 2009
oh yeh! of little faith and extreme cynicism, who cares about facts at chrissy time, you either believe or you dont, if you study the bible in any detail it falls in a screaming heap thats why they call it "faith!" you either have it or you dont
chrissy is a time to gather, and rejoice in each others company and to tell the ones you care about that "you care about them", hand out the loot, drink too much, eat too much, tell great lies, laugh with life long friends and just celebrate life, if you are religious then attend your church, if not then just enjoy your folk and the festive season
I'll celebrate and enjoy the gathering of the widespread clan, cant bloody wait, bring it on!
what does it matter how xmas is spealt????????????? been spelt that way since I can remember!
I love most chrissy carols but hate the "new" ones. I guess I grew up with the old ones and am kinda staid!
but yeah white xmas would be up there!
Terro said
02:06 PM Dec 19, 2009
When I posed the original question I was of the opinion that Christmas Carols were of the religious flavour. Having read through the replies I think my mind has been slightly altered. Having been brought up to believe that the carols were religious it will take a bit of getting used to looking at "Christmas songs" under the heading of Carols.
Terro
Rolly said
02:18 PM Dec 19, 2009
Terro,
As far as I can remember, the name 'carol' was derived from the French, meaning a dancing song.
I believe that the word is still used in that context in France.
Disco Duck said
04:28 PM Dec 19, 2009
Drugs will do that Sir terro..............alter your mind!!
Funny isn't it??...............In all the years that I have celebrated Christmas ......it was not until I joined the Grey Nomad Forums that have seen or heard it disected so much!!
I don't have time to do all the cutting up and research.............don't care much about the origins.....the why's ..........the wherefore's...........................too busy with the Grandies and ALL that food and ALL that alcohol!! Damn!! I LOVE IT!!
Daisy cooks up some mean tucker and I walk past and smell it and instantly put on 5 kilos then the rest of the year is spent trying to lose it again.
Just get involved.
Next year we are ALL going to Basil's to meet the in-laws and get them primed!!
JRH said
04:48 PM Dec 19, 2009
As far as I am concerned Christmas is a time for the little kids and not so little kids to have a grand time, who gives a Rat's a**e if it is a pagan winter festival or not. Couldn't care less about the origins and if we all shop early then we won't get ripped off by the quick buck merchants.
Just my views on the matter. So as Dave0 would say I'll put the soapbox away .
Disco Duck said
07:00 PM Dec 19, 2009
For someone who hates Christmas Basil.......you sure are doing a lot of singing. LOL
Basil Faulty said
07:19 PM Dec 19, 2009
Disco Duck wrote:
For someone who hates Christmas Basil.......you sure are doing a lot of singing. LOL
On another forum my login is "Singing sacked spy" Did you consider I just enjoy singing? Stuff the carols how about some G&S - I have an impressive repetoir....
KO-KO
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found, I've got a little list I've got a little list Of society offenders who might well be underground, And who never would be missed who never would be missed! There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist They'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed!
CHORUS
He's got 'em on the list he's got 'em on the list; And they'll none of 'em be missed they'll none of 'em be missed.
KO-KO
There's the ****** serenader, and the others of his race, And the piano-organist I've got him on the list! And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face, They never would be missed they never would be missed! Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone, All centuries but this, and every country but his own; And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy, And who "doesn't think she dances, but would rather like to try"; And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist I don't think she'd be missed I'm sure she'd not he missed!
CHORUS
He's got her on the list he's got her on the list; And I don't think she'll be missed I'm sure she'll not be missed!
KO-KO
And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife, The Judicial humorist I've got him on the list! All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life They'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed. And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind, Such as What d'ye call him Thing'em-bob, and likewise Never-mind, And 'St 'st 'st and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, For they'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed! Chorus. You may put 'em on the list you may put 'em on the list; And they'll none of 'em be missed they'll none of 'em be missed!
brickies said
07:31 PM Dec 19, 2009
The ten tenors will be singing carols at 9 tv Melbourne carols Christmas eve
Terro said
08:19 AM Dec 20, 2009
Basil wrote,
Stuff the carols how about some G&S
Much rather have a G&T Basil. Perhaps you could mke an G&T ice cream. Gee that sounds good. I scare myself sometimes with my great ideas!!!!
Terro Alfoil Polisher Second Class. Ret'd.
Rolly said
01:07 PM Dec 20, 2009
Basil Faulty wrote:
Disco Duck wrote:
For someone who hates Christmas Basil.......you sure are doing a lot of singing. LOL
On another forum my login is "Singing sacked spy" Did you consider I just enjoy singing? Stuff the carols how about some G&S - I have an impressive repetoir....
As a true born Welshman, I too am inclined to give voice to the occasional tune or two:
"A wand'ring Minstrel I, a thing of threads and patches....."
The minstrel thing is open to a bit of interpretation, but the "threads and patches" pretty well sums up the state of my wardrobe.
" All people that on Earth do dwell, sing to the Lord with cheerful voice...."
For those with a religious bent.
I don't sing to anyone in particular; I just sing.
Disco Duck said
01:36 PM Dec 20, 2009
And sing LOUD Rolly!!..............Let everyone know you are singing!! That's what I do!!
brickies said
02:22 PM Dec 20, 2009
Rolly I sing solo so low you cant hear me
Rolly said
03:53 PM Dec 20, 2009
brickies wrote:Rolly I sing solo so low you cant hear me
I got flying solo so low that it cost me a month's salary and a ban from the Mess Bar for an equal period of time.
It wasn't the actual low flying that upset the Station Commander so much as the damage done to the tip of the tail fin where I clipped the high tension electricity line that I'd flown under.
ibbo said
08:56 AM Dec 21, 2009
Rolly if you had been a Fleet Air Arm pilot you would have flown between the wires.What a spoil sport the StationC/O was,no sense of humour.he should have praised you for your skill and enthusiasm.Cheers.Ibbo.
-- Edited by ibbo on Monday 21st of December 2009 02:39:11 PM
Basil Faulty said
09:11 AM Dec 22, 2009
So Rolly is a Welshman.... Ok Rolly just for the edification of the rest of us how the heck do you pronounce then name of the railway station, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
Basil Faulty said
09:13 AM Dec 22, 2009
Disco Duck wrote:
And sing LOUD Rolly!!..............Let everyone know you are singing!! That's what I do!!
Watching TV the other night and some young people were asked about their favourite Christmas Carols. Amongst those named were a lot of the favourites such as Away in a manger, The first Noel and Silent Night. But one that caught my attention and mentioned by a lot of youngsters was "Jingle Bells". Now, do you think that is a Christmas Carol or are our youngsters lacking in education in this respect?
Also, have you seen Carols by Candlelight?
Terro
Well here we go.
White xmas ranks top dog with this santa maybe not a carol but will do me.
If anyone gets the chance a night on the banks of the Yarra River is a great night out, every one just relaxed "Give it A GO'
Ibbo you are on the money there.... White Christmas is apparently the most popular song this time of year... Now on the count of 3
1,2, 3...
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know
Where the treetops glisten,
and children listen
To hear sleigh bells in the snow
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
With every Christmas card I write
May your days be merry and bright
And may all your Christmases be white
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
With every Christmas card I write
May your days be merry and bright
And may all your Christmases be white
In the original Greek scriptures (remember that the ones that we currently read have been subject to much debate and mistranslation) the symbol "X" was frequently used as an abbreviation for Christ.
It was also used as a way of marking the houses of Christian families, both by themselves and by their persecutors, in the early days of the religion.
The "fish" symbol was, apparently, adopted by the followers of your saintly namesake in the early days of the Roman church. (Peter the fisherman, "..the rock on which I found my Church".)
Basil complained about the same thing in a previous thread; lots of people have the same misunderstanding.
One of the other things that enrage me about this time of year is the shear hypocracy of it all, it's just an excuse to rip consumers off, prices go through the roof, and we are tempted to buy all manner of chinese Xmas stuff.... IT SUCKS...
Drivers wearing Alfoil hats on the other hand are expressing their individuality and though nthey may not be TFQ will at least extend courtesy to other drivers...
Indeed Baz, a Semite no less.
But you really shouldn't be confusing the religious faithful with facts.
As Corporal Jones would say to Captain Mainwarring, "They don't like it up em they don't!"
Out on the plains the brolgas are dancing
Lifting their feet like war horses prancing
Up to the sun the woodlarks go winging
Faint in the dawn light echoes their singing
Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
Down where the tree ferns grow by the river
There where the waters sparkle and quiver
Deep in the gullies bell-birds are chiming
Softly and sweetly their lyric notes rhyming
Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
Friar birds sip the nectar of flowers
Currawongs chant in the wattle tree bowers
In the blue ranges lorikeets calling
Carols of bushbirds rising and falling
Orana! Orana! Orana to Christmas Day
Terro
Terro,
As far as I can remember, the name 'carol' was derived from the French, meaning a dancing song.
I believe that the word is still used in that context in France.
Just my views on the matter. So as Dave0 would say I'll put the soapbox away .
On another forum my login is "Singing sacked spy"
Did you consider I just enjoy singing?
Stuff the carols how about some G&S - I have an impressive repetoir....
KO-KO
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist
They'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed!
CHORUS
He's got 'em on the list he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed they'll none of 'em be missed.
KO-KO
There's the ****** serenader, and the others of his race,
And the piano-organist I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
They never would be missed they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she dances, but would rather like to try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist
I don't think she'd be missed I'm sure she'd not he missed!
CHORUS
He's got her on the list he's got her on the list;
And I don't think she'll be missed I'm sure she'll not be missed!
KO-KO
And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The Judicial humorist I've got him on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life
They'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as What d'ye call him Thing'em-bob, and likewise Never-mind,
And 'St 'st 'st and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed they'd none of 'em be missed!
Chorus.
You may put 'em on the list you may put 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed they'll none of 'em be missed!
Stuff the carols how about some G&S
Much rather have a G&T Basil. Perhaps you could mke an G&T ice cream. Gee that sounds good. I scare myself sometimes with my great ideas!!!!
Terro
Alfoil Polisher Second Class. Ret'd.
I got flying solo so low that it cost me a month's salary and a ban from the Mess Bar for an equal period of time.
It wasn't the actual low flying that upset the Station Commander so much as the damage done to the tip of the tail fin where I clipped the high tension electricity line that I'd flown under.
-- Edited by ibbo on Monday 21st of December 2009 02:39:11 PM
Yeah a singing DUCK???