This started as a Basil get a skip and clean out your garage and workshop, Oh yes my sweet but where am I going to find a skip big enough? Now it appears that as I have been giving my parents a lecture on hoarding SWMBO has decided that we would be better off moving to a "smaller" place while we can rather than when we are forced to.
Question how many 3 cu/M skips will I fill? one is done & dusted and it is junk, sawdust, swarf, scraps of timber, old rags.... I did rescue a 1' long length of 2" brass bar and I have litterally 200kg of brass BSP screwed plumbing fittings which of course I WILL need some day. Old steam boat propellers, old steamboat engines in need of repair all saleable stuff, the garage sale is going to be a ripper, might sell it on Ebay...
I have stipulated that the new place will have a small dog yard, room for the gin palace and somewhere to "hangar" an ultralight and will be single story..... The system in the ACT is very different from elsewhwere when you sell your house, we have to have it inspected by the raiser general of public monies and he/she checks off all additions, aleterations and erasures to the plane to ensure that all has been done in accordance with the need to lodge plans and application fees. In the ACT if you want to put in an additional power point it may cost you $150 for a sparky but it costs $500 and a 6 week wait to get it approved.....
dave06 said
03:16 PM Mar 29, 2009
hell scared the daylights out of me when you said "CLEANOUT" the workshop, Nooooo!!!! not the workshop
Cruising Granny said
03:58 PM Mar 29, 2009
You blokes would have separation anxiety if you had to get rid of all excess stuff to pack up into a caravan and station wagon.
I even find unused clutter in them, so I have periodical clean outs, especially if I've been parked up for a while.
The back of the cruiser is "the shed" where I keep the tools and stuff. And I don't need a lawn mower.
I guess I'm lucky my hobby is writing, not reading, with a smattering of embroidery when the mood takes me. Those projects are under the bed.
Have fun with that. Cheers Granny
dave06 said
04:26 PM Mar 29, 2009
ah yes but therein lies the rub, there is of course no "excess stuff" in my workshop all very usefull and highly valuable resources, no "unused clutter" to be seen
twobob said
09:36 PM Mar 29, 2009
"Separation anxiety" indeed!!!!
I have just about finished the construction and fitout of my 12m * 7.5m, shed. Only the important stuff has gone into it, and now even the mezzine area is full.
May have to move the fridge, dartboard and computers to get any other "important" stuff in there.
Ell&Mick said
03:02 PM Mar 30, 2009
Cruising Granny wrote:
You blokes would have separation anxiety if you had to get rid of all excess stuff to pack up into a caravan and station wagon. I even find unused clutter in them, so I have periodical clean outs, especially if I've been parked up for a while. The back of the cruiser is "the shed" where I keep the tools and stuff. And I don't need a lawn mower. I guess I'm lucky my hobby is writing, not reading, with a smattering of embroidery when the mood takes me. Those projects are under the bed. Have fun with that. Cheers Granny
Love it Granny, I think you have hit the nail on the head.. ROFL
Ell
dave06 said
03:04 PM Mar 30, 2009
heeeyyyy!!! dont encourage her, we have no "useless stuff" all good gear at the apropriate time, some just needs a little more "time" than others to show it's true worth
Basil Faulty said
08:04 PM Mar 30, 2009
dave06 wrote:
heeeyyyy!!! dont encourage her, we have no "useless stuff" all good gear at the apropriate time, some just needs a little more "time" than others to show it's true worth
I agree fully. Murphys 15th Law is quite concsie on this; If an item not used is discarded then it is needed within 24 hours of being discarded and Jennins corrolary states, Oh seniors moment, what does Jennings corrolary state? na forget Jennings, it's Harrison's postulate:
Harrison's Postulate: For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
dave06 said
08:21 PM Mar 30, 2009
love it, I will enlarge it and hang it above my bench!!
Ell&Mick said
04:24 PM Mar 31, 2009
And they say women are hoarders!!! I cannot believe the "junk" Mick had when I met him, and the "junk" he finds now. He has ruddy eagle eyes when it comes to finding stuff, even on the side of the road, but he has to ask me where the flippin keys and mobile phone is half the time. LOL
dave06 said
04:28 PM Mar 31, 2009
ah well junk to one is treasure to another, what happens if you want something repaired, straight to the "junk" er ummm hrrrmmmphh!!! usefull pile
Ell&Mick said
04:39 PM Mar 31, 2009
Yep must be a man thing. I don't mind really, but if we paln on doing the Grey Nomad adventures in the next few years he is going to have to cull it.
dave06 said
04:47 PM Mar 31, 2009
yes a major worry indeed, "culling of the shed" brrrrrrrr!! sends shivers up my spine just thinking of the wanton destruction and the waste
Basil Faulty said
07:10 AM Apr 1, 2009
dave06 wrote:
love it, I will enlarge it and hang it above my bench!!
You have a BENCH Dave???? I had one but I can't find it under all my "stuff".
cito said
09:49 AM Apr 1, 2009
How dare some-one call a mans gear (careful there, folks) "clutter"!
It's only 5 weeks to the take off day, the house is under offer, the garage sale is on this Sunday and the cargo container is soon to arrive ready for the co-driver to say what is not "clutter".
What about the table saw, the router, the planer/thicknesser, the blackwood and huon pine. What, I say, is clutter? Is it the aforementioned important things or is it those placemats with flowers or old houses on 'em? Or those strange shaped vases?
I forecast several domestic differences on the near horizon!
Lynds
dave06 said
10:20 AM Apr 1, 2009
yes, ex builder here so take all that you have and double it, as well as enough machinery to open up a timber yard and a metal fabrication yard and then some so I forecast black days ahead IF we get the chance to sell up
well I had a bench in there a while ago Basil and seeing as to how it is dyna bolted to the floor then I can only assume it is still there, so I must have faith
Basil Faulty said
10:48 AM Apr 1, 2009
cito wrote:
How dare some-one call a mans gear (careful there, folks) "clutter"! It's only 5 weeks to the take off day, the house is under offer, the garage sale is on this Sunday and the cargo container is soon to arrive ready for the co-driver to say what is not "clutter". What about the table saw, the router, the planer/thicknesser, the blackwood and huon pine. What, I say, is clutter? Is it the aforementioned important things or is it those placemats with flowers or old houses on 'em? Or those strange shaped vases?
I forecast several domestic differences on the near horizon!
Lynds
Look Us blokes have to occasional view life through a female set of eyes. Women see things in an entirely different light to men, women see men in Bunnings as they see kids in Toys R Us and any thing we buy form such places are considered toys as they keep us amused. There are exceptions to this of course, I have a mate who is into drag racing and his wife just loves the spectacle she creates poncing around in a lycra G string as a "Grid Girl" at the Drags, she helps out with the stripping and reassembly of the car ( to my mind to much effort for 30 seconds of fun) and they live a happy life even if the only friends they have are into drag. For most of us our sheds though now widley recognised as excellent theraputic value are considered but toy boxes by our wives. We have had some ground breaking top level discussions recently in light of the move as I won't have a 6x6.5 or 11x10 metre sheds so will have to cull lots of good stuff so the only option that I can see is to take what I want for MY OWN ENJOYMENT and SWMBO will have to call a tradesman to attend to any maintenance etc in the new place.... Lets face it wood turning is as much fun as you can have with wood but the mess is mind boggling, I love making furniture, I love restoring antique furniture, I love restoring all manner of mechanical apparatus and this is what I will cater for, no I won't cater for home maintenance, there will be no tins of matched paint ready to touch up any dammage, there'll be no spare tap washers, there'll be no hinges for doors that come off, no picture frame hooks, no facility to repair broken appliances, NONE of that "stuff"..... But I'll bet there will be a full room set aside for sewing, quilting, dressmaking, shoe storage (we have more womens shoes than Imelda Marcos). The quilts are superb but never see the light of day and we have several cupboards full of them... We only have 2 antiques atm her grandmothers fully restored Singer sewing machine her grannies antique "China Cabinet" and an antique clock. All the other stuff I sell to get money to buy her shoes. If we survive this intact as a couple it will be equal to all the miracals of Lourdes
Basil Faulty said
10:51 AM Apr 1, 2009
Ell&Mick wrote:
And they say women are hoarders!!! I cannot believe the "junk" Mick had when I met him, and the "junk" he finds now. He has ruddy eagle eyes when it comes to finding stuff, even on the side of the road, but he has to ask me where the flippin keys and mobile phone is half the time. LOL
But Ell you must have loved him even though he had some Junk.... Just as he must have loved you and you would have had at least 50 pairs of shoes. JUNK is good, it cleanses the soul (here we go again). It's the other type of JUNK that is no good....
-- Edited by Basil Faulty on Wednesday 1st of April 2009 09:55:37 AM
Cruising Granny said
10:43 PM Apr 1, 2009
dave06 wrote:
ah yes but therein lies the rub, there is of course no "excess stuff" in my workshop all very usefull and highly valuable resources, no "unused clutter" to be seen
That's what my dad said about hundreds of jars and bottles he may have needed to pickle olives and onions, and bottle off his home brew. But he never cleaned up even when he knew he only had a few months. What a legacy! NOT!! Don't leave it for someone else. You won't need it one of those days. Once you start travelling at will, you'll find you need it less and less because you'll be too busy travelling. Just the basic tool kit and spare parts for "Blue". You blokes will make up any excuse to hoard useless stuff in case you will need it one day. I know, women do it too. It's called dust collecting clutter. Those "family treasures" really take up space. My kids look after mine willingly. They love that stuff, and I can enjoy it whenever I visit. It's a quandry only you can resolve. Have fun. Cheers Granny
dave06 said
10:12 AM Apr 2, 2009
I had a cleanout about 5 years ago to make room for a larger radial arm saw complete with a 6 mtr cutting bench, the rack of stuff that I cast off to the tip encompassed something like 5 very large trailer loads, all "good stuff", I may add so I have had my cleanout
all that is left in there is professional machinery (woodworking and metal fabrication), packs of huon pine, baltic pine, jarrah, western red cedar, meranti and new steel
what concerns me is the price these things fetch when the vultures come in, I have offered everything to my son, who is a professional and is not really interested in these things, he has basically stated that he doesnt "require it" and hasnt the area for it
the timber alone would fetch many thousands of dollars neverlone the machinery, a "garage sale" is out of the question so I think I will have to have a "contractors sale", now being an ex contractor I know they want everything for nothing
whilst I am willing to ease the load on the surviving family I am not about to sit back and watch a lifes work be just "given" away that would kill me anyway, but I guess I will have to one day
mike and Judy said
04:04 PM Apr 2, 2009
And since you had that cleanout you have had many instances of something that went, you want,, I'll bet
It took me 3 garage sales to move all my "STUFF" when the house went on the block, and I still had to cart some it off to my sons for storage,
When I eventually realised that a base was needed for my creative ability to shine , there was a 1 ton trailer laden with 2 tons of "STUFF" to cart here
Basil Faulty said
01:47 PM Apr 3, 2009
WOT A CROCK!!!!! the inspector arrived to do his inspection and told me to leave him to it.......
Well all I can say is what a crock of beaureaucratic hubris. We even have a statement that the underfloor areas have been inspected, I don't know how he did this as the place is on a slab. He assumed we had no insulation, and our garage is unapproved and the back room, our "al fresco", "garden room" or whatever you want to call it is, wait for this, drum roll please "a cavernous uninhabitable void". And checking the gpo's to ensure that the gpo's on the original plans are there and that any extra's have had the approvals submitted. I didn't know you can't replace a single with a double without paying the "inspection and approval fee". the sparky has been out and had to submit all the "new" GPO's for approval. We scored 3*'s for our EER... and with an asking price of only $475000.000000000 ( we will get $450,000) we should sell sometime this millennium. Some of the places we have looked at are simply unbelievable $500,000 for a pokey little townhouse, agents running around trying to surreptitiously hide ash trays with still smouldering butts in it - Oh yeah some real horrors out there but then they probably have their garages approved.....
But there is good news, during the cleanup I discovered there is a concrete floor in the unapproved garage, HEY!
I should have taken the clown of an inspector into the basement that he says we have to see the boat I'm building down there that I will use when I need to launch the Ultralight from the water......
Basil Faulty said
05:00 PM Apr 4, 2009
3 X 3 cu/m skips filled and despatched.... The last one was mainly SWMBO's shoes....
dave06 said
05:20 PM Apr 4, 2009
ahh!! the shoes, now theres a thought or should I say a wee bit of leverage waiting to be applied in the right direction
but in all honesty
(1) I dont think we will have a "retirement" anyway so a mute point from me
(2) if we do I really dont know what would become of all my gear
I have sharpening gear, focussing on tungsten tip mainly (router bits, circular saw blades, moulder cutter blades)
also specialised cutter grinder/sharpeners such as buzzer/thicknesser blades, I may take those machines with me and make a quid whilst on the road sharpening other peoples gear, they are all low power draw and easily run off a generator
Cruising Granny said
01:17 PM Apr 5, 2009
Ah, I've concluded I'm a woman of simple, minimal means. And I like it that way.
I can relate to all your machinery Dave. I have to admit I would not consider them to be "excess". It's all the other toys and accessories which seem to breed under the bench which cause the real problems.
If the day came when you didn't have a base with a shed, you'd find a resourceful way of finding good homes for them, with someone who appreciates and values them.
I've never really been into ornaments and vases with artificial flowers. Thank heavens I didn't inherit that trait from my Grandmother.
But it's all good. Granny
dave06 said
02:07 PM Apr 5, 2009
yep but leaves me in a bit of a quandry as to where a lifetime of gathering "only the best machinery" will end up, 3 in one panel saw was $8,000 alone, some feller will get it and many other highly costly machinery for peanuts, might just go and put up a big shed on the sons property and move all my toys in there, but he is talking about selling up and bulding a new home so I just dont know
ah the "underbench" wherein the "unknown" lie yes O.K. you have me there, offcuts of steel, half used mig reels of various sizes and metals, half used brazing rods, welding rods of varying size and age, bending dies, nuts and bolts various, yep you have hit me at a weak spot there cant argue in that department, may have to "look" at that area,................................ "one day"
Basil Faulty said
06:08 PM Apr 5, 2009
dave06 wrote:
ahh!! the shoes, now theres a thought or should I say a wee bit of leverage waiting to be applied in the right direction
but in all honesty
(1) I dont think we will have a "retirement" anyway so a mute point from me
(2) if we do I really dont know what would become of all my gear
I have sharpening gear, focussing on tungsten tip mainly (router bits, circular saw blades, moulder cutter blades)
also specialised cutter grinder/sharpeners such as buzzer/thicknesser blades, I may take those machines with me and make a quid whilst on the road sharpening other peoples gear, they are all low power draw and easily run off a generator
see there you go..... I'm gonna sell my planer, jointer etc as it is a pain in the bum to get the blades ground in Canberra.
dave06 said
09:07 PM Apr 5, 2009
I'm currently the only saw doctor north of adelaide to my knowledge that still does the buzzer/thicknesser blades and tct circular saw blades, I havent raised my prices for 25 years, still 30 cents per tip tct saw blades and 50 cents per inch buzzer/thicknesser blades, and $5 for router bits, young fellers arent interested in taking up the skill
I do it of an evening and on weekends and its a damn good little income, but it's a dying skill
same as my pool/federation fencing, cant keep up with it in summer but youngsters dont want to know about it, might get their hands dirty
twobob said
10:41 PM Apr 5, 2009
Whats a bloke to do, if his hands on "stuff" is taken away. Not so bad for those of us that are "hands on" challenged to start with, but those of us, that "need" it, WHAT now.
I am sure "her indoors" would get sick of having a supervisor around, suggesting how the washing would be better done. Bake cakes, nah, not enough gadgets and too much waiting.
We sexes are different, and that makes for a better couple. Maybe thats the problem with G Nomading, have to wait for something to break, before we get into stride.
Funny how blokes think, need to do "mans" things to make us whole, but I am sure its the same for the ladies.
Nup, I have decided, no retirement for me, no villages, just me and my shed (dog included). I think I would be happy to get to a point of uselessness, and just clean it!!! thinking back on all the important things that were achieved within its walls, those unfinished, let alone those not yet started.
Basil Faulty said
12:31 PM Apr 11, 2009
STREWTH.... the first people to see our house have put in an offer which we accepted.
Question how many 3 cu/M skips will I fill? one is done & dusted and it is junk, sawdust, swarf, scraps of timber, old rags.... I did rescue a 1' long length of 2" brass bar and I have litterally 200kg of brass BSP screwed plumbing fittings which of course I WILL need some day. Old steam boat propellers, old steamboat engines in need of repair all saleable stuff, the garage sale is going to be a ripper, might sell it on Ebay...
I have stipulated that the new place will have a small dog yard, room for the gin palace and somewhere to "hangar" an ultralight and will be single story.....
The system in the ACT is very different from elsewhwere when you sell your house, we have to have it inspected by the raiser general of public monies and he/she checks off all additions, aleterations and erasures to the plane to ensure that all has been done in accordance with the need to lodge plans and application fees. In the ACT if you want to put in an additional power point it may cost you $150 for a sparky but it costs $500 and a 6 week wait to get it approved.....
Ell
Harrison's Postulate: For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.
You have a BENCH Dave???? I had one but I can't find it under all my "stuff".
For most of us our sheds though now widley recognised as excellent theraputic value are considered but toy boxes by our wives.
We have had some ground breaking top level discussions recently in light of the move as I won't have a 6x6.5 or 11x10 metre sheds so will have to cull lots of good stuff so the only option that I can see is to take what I want for MY OWN ENJOYMENT and SWMBO will have to call a tradesman to attend to any maintenance etc in the new place....
Lets face it wood turning is as much fun as you can have with wood but the mess is mind boggling, I love making furniture, I love restoring antique furniture, I love restoring all manner of mechanical apparatus and this is what I will cater for, no I won't cater for home maintenance, there will be no tins of matched paint ready to touch up any dammage, there'll be no spare tap washers, there'll be no hinges for doors that come off, no picture frame hooks, no facility to repair broken appliances, NONE of that "stuff".....
But I'll bet there will be a full room set aside for sewing, quilting, dressmaking, shoe storage (we have more womens shoes than Imelda Marcos). The quilts are superb but never see the light of day and we have several cupboards full of them... We only have 2 antiques atm her grandmothers fully restored Singer sewing machine her grannies antique "China Cabinet" and an antique clock. All the other stuff I sell to get money to buy her shoes.
If we survive this intact as a couple it will be equal to all the miracals of Lourdes
-- Edited by Basil Faulty on Wednesday 1st of April 2009 09:55:37 AM
Don't leave it for someone else. You won't need it one of those days.
Once you start travelling at will, you'll find you need it less and less because you'll be too busy travelling. Just the basic tool kit and spare parts for "Blue".
You blokes will make up any excuse to hoard useless stuff in case you will need it one day.
I know, women do it too. It's called dust collecting clutter. Those "family treasures" really take up space. My kids look after mine willingly. They love that stuff, and I can enjoy it whenever I visit.
It's a quandry only you can resolve. Have fun. Cheers Granny